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Some of those really scream "double standards" to me. > the process is hanging So are my clothes and the bells in the tower, but I haven't heard a complaint a

Some of those really scream "double standards" to me. > the process is hanging So are my clothes and the bells in the tower, but I haven't heard a complaint about those. > whitelist/blacklist Interestingly nobody seems to bat an eye when yet another video or article talks about vantablack("the blackest black"), white noise or a whitepaper. It's so hard for me to support such attempts to choose better words when it always comes with other additions that simply do not make any sense.

tolbish 6y ago
White/black refers to allow/deny in this case, so your white paper and vantablack examples wouldn't work here as they have no good or bad connotation. Better examples maybe would be "black ice" or "white dress = purity for weddings", but those aren't related to computing.
- alpaca128 6y ago
  > your white paper and vantablack examples wouldn't work here Note my example was not about bleached paper but the actual term white paper used in business and other contexts. > but those aren't related to computing. Skin color isn't related to computing either, but here we are.
  - tolbish 6y ago
    The 'white' part of 'white paper' does not refer to positive or negative, hence why it is not a good example.
    - alpaca128 6y ago
      Blackbox testing doesn't have a positive or negative connotation either but activists still want it to be changed. Also e.g. "white" isn't seen as positive because of skin color, it's more a cleanliness/innocence thing. In my native language we have a phrase roughly meaning "wearing a white shirt" which indicates someone doesn't figuratively have blood on their hands/clothes. You could associate this word with white teeth or clouds just as much as with skin color. That's the problem with this whole debate: people pushing for changes with the same precision as word filters failing at "Scunthorpe", without care for context or details. Sure, it's easier that way. But also harder to justify.
- sethammons 6y ago
  In the black or in the red for financials

tolbish 6y ago

White/black refers to allow/deny in this case, so your white paper and vantablack examples wouldn't work here as they have no good or bad connotation. Better examples maybe would be "black ice" or "white dress = purity for weddings", but those aren't related to computing.

alpaca128 6y ago
> your white paper and vantablack examples wouldn't work here Note my example was not about bleached paper but the actual term white paper used in business and other contexts. > but those aren't related to computing. Skin color isn't related to computing either, but here we are.
- tolbish 6y ago
  The 'white' part of 'white paper' does not refer to positive or negative, hence why it is not a good example.
  - alpaca128 6y ago
    Blackbox testing doesn't have a positive or negative connotation either but activists still want it to be changed. Also e.g. "white" isn't seen as positive because of skin color, it's more a cleanliness/innocence thing. In my native language we have a phrase roughly meaning "wearing a white shirt" which indicates someone doesn't figuratively have blood on their hands/clothes. You could associate this word with white teeth or clouds just as much as with skin color. That's the problem with this whole debate: people pushing for changes with the same precision as word filters failing at "Scunthorpe", without care for context or details. Sure, it's easier that way. But also harder to justify.
sethammons 6y ago
In the black or in the red for financials