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Now that's a good fear mongering propaganda :) Destroy the bourgeois or face the eternal hunger and enslavement! Get rid of {insert your preferred ethnicity} or

by mantas 6y ago

Now that's a good fear mongering propaganda :) Destroy the bourgeois or face the eternal hunger and enslavement! Get rid of {insert your preferred ethnicity} or face the downfall of the nation! When in reality it's "be poor now (and likely to face the collapse of global civilisation and ecological crisis is still in roadmap) or maybe your grandkids will face the ecological crisis".

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pmiller2 6y ago
So, because collapse isn't certain, you'd rather stuff cotton in your ears, cover your eyes and yell "lalalala can't hear you?" BTW, your suggestion that my post in any way represents or resembles a call for ethnic cleansing is in extremely poor taste and bad faith. Stop putting words in my mouth.
- mantas 6y ago
  Not ethnic cleansing. Just a regular regime that pushes through using emotional calls. The problem is not that collapse isn't certain. The problem is that solution is iffy to say the least. So it's one possibly bad outcome vs another possibly bad outcome. On top of that, one out come may come much faster than the other.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    There's plenty of good research out there showing that global civilization will collapse before the end of the century given the amount of warming we're on track for. You should read it. However, assuming it is coming, what is the solution? Besides "stop pumping greenhouse emissions into the atmosphere," I just don't see one. And, doing that is going to lower a lot of peoples' standards of living, i.e. make them poor.
    - mantas 6y ago
      I did read it and IMO it's emotionalised bullshit. Few cities may be vacated, few major seaside cities will solve it with expensive technological installations. But it certainly won't be {insert your favourite dystopian movie} style collapse. Solution is "stop pumping greenhouse misions and consuming so much crap shipped all around the world". But developed countries paying off developing countries won't bring us to that solution. The world as a whole has to consume much much less, yesterday. Developed countries can start by bringing manufacturing and agriculture back home. This will increase costs and lower consumption.

by mantas 6y ago

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pmiller2 6y ago

So, because collapse isn't certain, you'd rather stuff cotton in your ears, cover your eyes and yell "lalalala can't hear you?" BTW, your suggestion that my post in any way represents or resembles a call for ethnic cleansing is in extremely poor taste and bad faith. Stop putting words in my mouth.

mantas 6y ago
Not ethnic cleansing. Just a regular regime that pushes through using emotional calls. The problem is not that collapse isn't certain. The problem is that solution is iffy to say the least. So it's one possibly bad outcome vs another possibly bad outcome. On top of that, one out come may come much faster than the other.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  There's plenty of good research out there showing that global civilization will collapse before the end of the century given the amount of warming we're on track for. You should read it. However, assuming it is coming, what is the solution? Besides "stop pumping greenhouse emissions into the atmosphere," I just don't see one. And, doing that is going to lower a lot of peoples' standards of living, i.e. make them poor.
  - mantas 6y ago
    I did read it and IMO it's emotionalised bullshit. Few cities may be vacated, few major seaside cities will solve it with expensive technological installations. But it certainly won't be {insert your favourite dystopian movie} style collapse. Solution is "stop pumping greenhouse misions and consuming so much crap shipped all around the world". But developed countries paying off developing countries won't bring us to that solution. The world as a whole has to consume much much less, yesterday. Developed countries can start by bringing manufacturing and agriculture back home. This will increase costs and lower consumption.