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Theae stats are often quoted by Musk and Tesla to suggest that driverless cars are here and safer than human drivers, and the only thing preventing them are reg

Theae stats are often quoted by Musk and Tesla to suggest that driverless cars are here and safer than human drivers, and the only thing preventing them are regulators. They are never quoted to imply that driver assistance makes driving safer, which i believe they would. So, one has to compare computer vs human. In fact, more than that. One cannot compare modern technology to one from the previous century. So one must compare computer to the best passive driver assistance that one can develop for humans. So Tesla must compare a driverless solution to their own driver assistance solutions aiding drivers, and not the "average car on the road"

reissbaker 5y ago
When has Tesla said that driverless cars are here?
- legolas2412 5y ago
  This video from 2016 (https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware-neighborhood-long https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...) saying "the driver is there just for legal reasons, the car is driving itself" This page (https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer) says "Will help us enable a new level of autonomy with regulators approval" And many many more for Elon Musk's Twitter and various appearances.
rictic 5y ago
> Theae stats are often quoted by Musk and Tesla to suggest that driverless cars are here and safer than human drivers, and the only thing preventing them are regulators. That's surprising, I hadn't seen that. Could you link to an example?
- legolas2412 5y ago
  This video from 2016 (https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware-neighborhood-long https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...) saying "the driver is there just for legal reasons, the car is driving itself" This page (https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer) says "Will help us enable a new level of autonomy with regulators approval" And many many more for Elon Musk's Twitter and various appearances.
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  - rictic 5y ago
    Yeah, and in the part of that second link that directly addresses the question: > *Will the FSD Computer make my car fully autonomous?* > Not yet. All Tesla cars require active driver supervision and are not autonomous. With the FSD Computer, we expect to achieve a new level of autonomy as we gain billions of miles of experience using our features. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. That clearly states that there is still a technical challenge to overcome which is prior to any regulatory issues.

reissbaker 5y ago

When has Tesla said that driverless cars are here?

legolas2412 5y ago
This video from 2016 (https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware-neighborhood-long https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...) saying "the driver is there just for legal reasons, the car is driving itself" This page (https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer) says "Will help us enable a new level of autonomy with regulators approval" And many many more for Elon Musk's Twitter and various appearances.

rictic 5y ago

> Theae stats are often quoted by Musk and Tesla to suggest that driverless cars are here and safer than human drivers, and the only thing preventing them are regulators. That's surprising, I hadn't seen that. Could you link to an example?

legolas2412 5y ago
This video from 2016 (https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware-neighborhood-long https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...) saying "the driver is there just for legal reasons, the car is driving itself" This page (https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer) says "Will help us enable a new level of autonomy with regulators approval" And many many more for Elon Musk's Twitter and various appearances.
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- rictic 5y ago
  Yeah, and in the part of that second link that directly addresses the question: > *Will the FSD Computer make my car fully autonomous?* > Not yet. All Tesla cars require active driver supervision and are not autonomous. With the FSD Computer, we expect to achieve a new level of autonomy as we gain billions of miles of experience using our features. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. That clearly states that there is still a technical challenge to overcome which is prior to any regulatory issues.