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“Misunderstood”? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abo

• totalZero 6y ago
  Some opinion article from a social justice warrior doesn't indicate that the vast majority of people who say "defend the police" are not saying "abolish the police." That kind of black and white thinking undermines the conversation.
  • alentist 6y ago
    What really undermines the conversation is twisting the meaning of words, saying what you (supposedly) don’t really mean, and then blaming people for interpreting them correctly. Here are more examples: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-i-became-police-abolitionist/613540/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-i-beca... https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2021/02/12/We-Actually-Mean-Abolish-Police-Rinaldo-Walcott/ https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2021/02/12/We-Actually-Mean-Aboli... https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2020/08/the-abolition-movement https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2020/08/the-abolition-mov...
    • SamBam 6y ago
      Again, if you're actively searching for abolitionists, you can find them, but the vast majority of the use of the term, from a count of the first 20 articles on any search engine of "What does defund the police mean," means reduce funding. And, indeed, your first article actually uses the term exactly as we're using it. While the author is arguing for abolition, and the first and only time she uses the word "defund" it is to say > Defunding the police is one step on a broad stairway toward abolition. Cities can reduce the size and scope of police...
  • paulv 6y ago
    Likewise using that pejorative.
• SamBam 6y ago
  The author does not speak for the Black Lives Matter movement, nor for the vast majority of people who use that phrase. The use of "we" in the title is egoising. A quick search of "what does 'Defund the Police' mean" will find that the vast majority of proponents, and of articles written about them in almost all newspapers and magazines, interpret it as reducing the budget of the police and redirecting that budget into non-violent community aid.
  • alentist 6y ago
    So motte-and-bailey. Here are more examples: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-i-became-police-abolitionist/613540/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-i-beca... https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2021/02/12/We-Actually-Mean-Abolish-Police-Rinaldo-Walcott/ https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2021/02/12/We-Actually-Mean-Aboli... https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2020/08/the-abolition-movement https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2020/08/the-abolition-mov...
• triceratops 6y ago
  Serious question: how do you interpret "Starve the beast"?[1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast