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> consensual everyone's retort to marxism is this same thing. i'm not going to debate you but i'll just point out that, again, consensual here is a gross overs

> consensual everyone's retort to marxism is this same thing. i'm not going to debate you but i'll just point out that, again, consensual here is a gross oversimplification.

anm89 6y ago
And this gets to what I'm saying in the top post. I get what you are saying with the consent argument. You are playing a word game via a redefinition of consent where even though they signed a piece of paper agreeing to do the thing while not under acute duress it wasn't "really consent" because the life is unfair and the system forced their hand. And what I'm saying is, not only do I not accept the validity of that word game, but that a VAST majority of society does not accept that word game. Under your definition of consent almost nobody ever has consent for anything. This is not how people generally use the word consent.
- anon_tor_12345 6y ago
  it's not a word game - there' a reason why things like inebriation factor into whether consent (during sex) was really given. just saying the word doesn't magically make it compulsion free consent. >even though they signed a piece of paper agreeing to do the thing while not under acute duress there are many many other things other than duress that make a contract unenforceable https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/unenforceable-contracts-tips-33079.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/unenforceable-contra... all you have to do to know this is witness literally any will go to probate. >not only do I not accept the validity of that word game, but that a VAST majority of society does not accept that word game you're wrong. you're just wrong. it's why lawyers exist. i'm sorry that you don't understand this but i can't teach it to you. i suggest you sit in on a 1L contracts class at your local law school.
  - anm89 5y ago
    It's a word game

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> consensual everyone's retort to marxism is this same thing. i'm not going to debate you but i'll just point out that, again, consensual here is a gross overs

by anon_tor_12345 6y ago

> consensual everyone's retort to marxism is this same thing. i'm not going to debate you but i'll just point out that, again, consensual here is a gross oversimplification.

anm89 6y ago
And this gets to what I'm saying in the top post. I get what you are saying with the consent argument. You are playing a word game via a redefinition of consent where even though they signed a piece of paper agreeing to do the thing while not under acute duress it wasn't "really consent" because the life is unfair and the system forced their hand. And what I'm saying is, not only do I not accept the validity of that word game, but that a VAST majority of society does not accept that word game. Under your definition of consent almost nobody ever has consent for anything. This is not how people generally use the word consent.
- anon_tor_12345 6y ago
  it's not a word game - there' a reason why things like inebriation factor into whether consent (during sex) was really given. just saying the word doesn't magically make it compulsion free consent. >even though they signed a piece of paper agreeing to do the thing while not under acute duress there are many many other things other than duress that make a contract unenforceable https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/unenforceable-contracts-tips-33079.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/unenforceable-contra... all you have to do to know this is witness literally any will go to probate. >not only do I not accept the validity of that word game, but that a VAST majority of society does not accept that word game you're wrong. you're just wrong. it's why lawyers exist. i'm sorry that you don't understand this but i can't teach it to you. i suggest you sit in on a 1L contracts class at your local law school.
  - anm89 5y ago
    It's a word game