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Yes, the AWS serverless is essentially half-baked for this reason it would be considerably more powerful - to the point of changing how we make apps - if there

Yes, the AWS serverless is essentially half-baked for this reason it would be considerably more powerful - to the point of changing how we make apps - if there was a local environment provided by them that could really make testing and deployment seamless. Being able to see a debug of 'live' lambdas in your own cli etc. would be ideal.

frompdx 6y ago
My tinfoil hat theory is that making local development difficult is the goal rather than a side effect. Why not just run the stack yourself if it's that easy? Better for Amazon if the development process for using their services involves as many other AWS services as possible.
- jollybean 6y ago
  I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that if that were indeed going to work out, but the more reasonable thing is that they're just bad at it. Lambda was weak for years. Also, a 'local stack' for testing probably wouldn't cover nearly enough basis for people to 'just to it themselves'. Literally today I had a billing problem with AWS and it was one of the worst, broken UI experiences I've ever seen. Involving money to boot (usually those things have higher standards). They are really bad at quite a lot of things, it is what it is - there might be some rhyme or reason to it, for example, they might not care about documentation, or may be much more focused on bread and butter ec2, bit it's totally plausible that there are a lot of frayed edges. You know that difficult-to-attribute quote: 'Don't attribute to malice that which can just as easily be attributed to incompetence'.
anfrank 6y ago
Wow, that is exactly what we are making. I posted elsewhere in this thread but SST (https://github.com/serverless-stack/serverless-stack https://github.com/serverless-stack/serverless-stack) lets you work on your Lambda functions live without having to mock AWS services locally. Here’s a short demo (https://youtu.be/hnTSTm5n11g https://youtu.be/hnTSTm5n11g) I'd love for you to give it a try.
- jollybean 6y ago
  That looks cool I will check it out.
  - anfrank 6y ago
    Awesome! We also have a super passionate community at https://launchpass.com/serverless-stack https://launchpass.com/serverless-stack

frompdx 6y ago

My tinfoil hat theory is that making local development difficult is the goal rather than a side effect. Why not just run the stack yourself if it's that easy? Better for Amazon if the development process for using their services involves as many other AWS services as possible.

jollybean 6y ago
I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that if that were indeed going to work out, but the more reasonable thing is that they're just bad at it. Lambda was weak for years. Also, a 'local stack' for testing probably wouldn't cover nearly enough basis for people to 'just to it themselves'. Literally today I had a billing problem with AWS and it was one of the worst, broken UI experiences I've ever seen. Involving money to boot (usually those things have higher standards). They are really bad at quite a lot of things, it is what it is - there might be some rhyme or reason to it, for example, they might not care about documentation, or may be much more focused on bread and butter ec2, bit it's totally plausible that there are a lot of frayed edges. You know that difficult-to-attribute quote: 'Don't attribute to malice that which can just as easily be attributed to incompetence'.

anfrank 6y ago

Wow, that is exactly what we are making. I posted elsewhere in this thread but SST (https://github.com/serverless-stack/serverless-stack https://github.com/serverless-stack/serverless-stack) lets you work on your Lambda functions live without having to mock AWS services locally. Here’s a short demo (https://youtu.be/hnTSTm5n11g https://youtu.be/hnTSTm5n11g) I'd love for you to give it a try.

jollybean 6y ago
That looks cool I will check it out.
- anfrank 6y ago
  Awesome! We also have a super passionate community at https://launchpass.com/serverless-stack https://launchpass.com/serverless-stack