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>the reality that self-driving cars are already much safer than human-driven ones [citation needed]

by nielsole 6y ago

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threevox 6y ago
https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
- czzr 6y ago
  The data there does not prove it. If you think it does, quote the exact proof.
  - threevox 6y ago
    >In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles. Alternatively, you could have just clicked through and read this yourself
    - llukas 6y ago
      He likely read that and it is not a proof that Autopilot is safer. It would be if miles driven were selected for comparison to be of same type of driving. Right now you got Autopilot engaged miles that might be highway (easiest) mostly vs other types. We do not know.
- Marazan 6y ago
  That's not a relevant citation.
drusepth 6y ago
Obviously a biased source, but Tesla's Q1 safety report[1] (released yesterday) reports this: >In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles. [1] https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Ars addresses Tesla's misleading safety reporting here[1]. [1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-no-clear-evidence-autopilot-saves-lives/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-...
  - threevox 6y ago
    This article doesn't say anything substantive, just points out that Autopilot is technically a group of different safety features and says that Ars couldn't find any "industry experts" to opine that Tesla's findings are true. Very poor non-technical purely qualitative writing here

>the reality that self-driving cars are already much safer than human-driven ones [citation needed]

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threevox 6y ago

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

czzr 6y ago
The data there does not prove it. If you think it does, quote the exact proof.
- threevox 6y ago
  >In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles. Alternatively, you could have just clicked through and read this yourself
  - llukas 6y ago
    He likely read that and it is not a proof that Autopilot is safer. It would be if miles driven were selected for comparison to be of same type of driving. Right now you got Autopilot engaged miles that might be highway (easiest) mostly vs other types. We do not know.
Marazan 6y ago
That's not a relevant citation.

drusepth 6y ago

Obviously a biased source, but Tesla's Q1 safety report[1] (released yesterday) reports this: >In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles. [1] https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport

heavyset_go 6y ago
Ars addresses Tesla's misleading safety reporting here[1]. [1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-no-clear-evidence-autopilot-saves-lives/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-...
- threevox 6y ago
  This article doesn't say anything substantive, just points out that Autopilot is technically a group of different safety features and says that Ars couldn't find any "industry experts" to opine that Tesla's findings are true. Very poor non-technical purely qualitative writing here