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Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving
- macintux 6y agoEffectively a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26852399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26852399
- p1anecrazy 6y agoTrue. However, this headline mentions the key detail of the tragedy.
- dang 6y agoOk, we'll move that title there. Edit: I've merged (most) comments there too.
- threevox 6y agoJust as with reporting on the J&J vaccine possible complications, I feel like reporting on self-driving car accidents deceptively obscures the reality that self-driving cars are already much safer than human-driven ones, on average. ("Yes, some people may have had blood clotting, but many more people have had much worse blood clotting from Covid.") For those who are unfamiliar with the cold, hard data on both subjects, such reporting paints almost exactly the wrong picture and should generally be treated as anecdata
- nielsole 6y ago>the reality that self-driving cars are already much safer than human-driven ones [citation needed]
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- threevox 6y agohttps://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
- czzr 6y agoThe data there does not prove it. If you think it does, quote the exact proof.
- threevox 6y ago>In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles. Alternatively, you could have just clicked through and read this yourself
- llukas 6y agoHe likely read that and it is not a proof that Autopilot is safer. It would be if miles driven were selected for comparison to be of same type of driving. Right now you got Autopilot engaged miles that might be highway (easiest) mostly vs other types. We do not know.
- Marazan 6y agoThat's not a relevant citation.
- drusepth 6y agoObviously a biased source, but Tesla's Q1 safety report[1] (released yesterday) reports this: >In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles. [1] https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport
- heavyset_go 6y agoArs addresses Tesla's misleading safety reporting here[1]. [1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-no-clear-evidence-autopilot-saves-lives/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-...
- threevox 6y agoThis article doesn't say anything substantive, just points out that Autopilot is technically a group of different safety features and says that Ars couldn't find any "industry experts" to opine that Tesla's findings are true. Very poor non-technical purely qualitative writing here
- phnofive 6y agoThen again, there are vaccines which don’t have this side effect, and are considerably more effective.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 6y ago> According to the study, 4 in 1 million people experience cerebral venous thrombosis after getting the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, versus 5 in 1 million people for the AstraZeneca vaccine. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-w...
- threevox 6y agoAs mentioned previously, discussion of this borders on irresponsible since all vaccines are 100x safer than Covid
- threevox 6y agoDoesn't matter. J&J is much safer than Covid. If, on average, people are healthier by administering the J&J vaccine than not, it's profoundly irresponsible to take it out of circulation
- root_axis 6y agoThe Tesla isn't a "self-driving car", autopilot is lane-keeping cruise control.
- threevox 6y agoSure, feel free to substitute whatever terminology you like into the above comment
- shostack 6y agoWhile not as marketable, "enhanced cruise control" might be a better name to avoid these situations because people associate cruise control with still needing to steer and remain focused.
- ec109685 6y agoIt’s more than that. It can stop and start at traffic lights, change lanes and maintain distance between you and the car in front of you.
- heavyset_go 6y ago> I feel like reporting on self-driving car accidents deceptively obscures the reality that self-driving cars are already much safer than human-driven ones, on average Ars has a good article that tackles this false belief titled "Sorry Elon Musk, there's no clear evidence that Autopilot saves lives"[1]. [1] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-no-clear-evidence-autopilot-saves-lives/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/sorry-elon-musk-theres-...
- threevox 6y agoThis article doesn't say anything substantive, just points out that Autopilot is technically a group of different safety features and says that Ars couldn't find any "industry experts" to opine that Tesla's findings are true. Very poor non-technical purely qualitative writing here