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please do go into detail about how data about an exact goods purchase that is linked to a specific person (ignoring the bunk about 'anonymization') can be regar

please do go into detail about how data about an exact goods purchase that is linked to a specific person (ignoring the bunk about 'anonymization') can be regarded as having a legitimate business reason

rovr138 6y ago
Marketing is a legitimate business reason. Other example, In the US, lots of jurisdictions have restrictions on ingredients. For example, dextromethorphan and pseudoephedrine. If you are buying over the counter medicines that contain these, in some jurisdictions, you need to provide an ID.
- inetknght 6y ago
  > Marketing is a legitimate business reason. Pervasive targeted marketing is not a legitimate business reason.
  - edoceo 6y ago
    its legitimate. distasteful but legitimate.
    - inetknght 6y ago
      The word you're looking for is "legal". It's legal. It's illegitimate but legal.
      - CamelCaseName 6y ago
        The first three results on Google show the definition of legitimate as "allowed by law". If you want to make a moral argument for why it shouldn't be allowed, then do that.
        spoonjim 6y ago
        The etymology of “legitimate” and “legal” are shared but they have very different meanings. If you are not a native speaker of English then these connotations can be hard to discern since word meanings are fluid and regional, but at least in the US the meanings are quite different.
      - deleted 6y ago
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    - anigbrowl 6y ago
      It's legal, but not necessarily legitimate. Informally, people use the latter terms to articulate their view of what the law should be, rather than what it is.
      - edoceo 6y ago
        why use a word with a known definition to try to mean the near opposite? its confusing. if you think the thing sucks, just say it sucks.
        anigbrowl 6y ago
        Many words have multiple definitions, as you are surely aware. Legitimate is one of them.
        edoceo 6y ago
        yep, all the definitions of legitimate equivocate it to legal/lawful. except here, y'all want it to mean not-lawful. I'm legitimately not smart enough to continue this conversation.
        worik 6y ago
        Depends if morals matter. If right and wrong are important then "legitimate" encompass them. So it s possible for something to be legal but not legitimate. There are not a lot of legal but absolutely immoral (the other way, illegal but legitimate - plenty) the actions of the FANG IMO definitely fall into the category of legal but illegitimate. Because to me good and evil are important considerations
        anigbrowl 6y ago
        That's just not true. Please don't make things up. Here are two (abridged) definitions from the Oxford dictionary: 1. conforming to the law or to rules 2. make legitimate; justify or make lawful. You're choosing to ignore the verb make in the second definition, describing the act of conferring legitimacy on something, which necessarily implies that it was previously lacking.
  - beowulfey 6y ago
    On the contrary, pervasive targeted marketing is exactly a legitimate business reason in the context of increasing revenue efficiently, as most corporations want to do.
    - kennywinker 6y ago
      Selling cocaine is a great way to efficiently increase revenue, but it's not a legitimate way
      - nemothekid 6y ago
        Selling cocaine is a legitimate way to increase revenue. If the cocaine is real (i.e you aren't selling flour) then why wouldn't it be legitimate? It might not be legal, but CocaCola is allowed to import coca leaves by the millions.
        nkurz 6y ago
        Don't be ridiculous! It would be absurd for the Coca Cola company to be allowed to directly import coca leaves for use in their "secret" recipe. Instead, it's an intermediary (the "Stepan Company") who imports the 200,000 lbs of coca leaves each year, removes the cocaine for pharmaceutical use, and then sells the remaining "flavor" extracts to Coca Cola: https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/01/business/how-coca-cola-obtains-its-coca.html https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/01/business/how-coca-cola-ob... (which is to say, thanks for encouraging me to learn about this)
        kennywinker 6y ago
        I think we're getting confused on word meanings here. Legitimate is far too vague a work. I'm trying to get at the idea that just because something would WORK doesn't make it ok to do. There is what is possible under capitalism (anything legal) and then there is what is RIGHT. Selling cocaine isn't JUST illegal, it's also probably wrong due to it's addictive properties. Similarly, selling people's data and tracking people without their consent is legal, but it's also wrong in most people's opinion.

rovr138 6y ago

Marketing is a legitimate business reason. Other example, In the US, lots of jurisdictions have restrictions on ingredients. For example, dextromethorphan and pseudoephedrine. If you are buying over the counter medicines that contain these, in some jurisdictions, you need to provide an ID.

inetknght 6y ago
> Marketing is a legitimate business reason. Pervasive targeted marketing is not a legitimate business reason.
- edoceo 6y ago
  its legitimate. distasteful but legitimate.
  - inetknght 6y ago
    The word you're looking for is "legal". It's legal. It's illegitimate but legal.
    - CamelCaseName 6y ago
      The first three results on Google show the definition of legitimate as "allowed by law". If you want to make a moral argument for why it shouldn't be allowed, then do that.
      - spoonjim 6y ago
        The etymology of “legitimate” and “legal” are shared but they have very different meanings. If you are not a native speaker of English then these connotations can be hard to discern since word meanings are fluid and regional, but at least in the US the meanings are quite different.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    It's legal, but not necessarily legitimate. Informally, people use the latter terms to articulate their view of what the law should be, rather than what it is.
    - edoceo 6y ago
      why use a word with a known definition to try to mean the near opposite? its confusing. if you think the thing sucks, just say it sucks.
      - anigbrowl 6y ago
        Many words have multiple definitions, as you are surely aware. Legitimate is one of them.
        edoceo 6y ago
        yep, all the definitions of legitimate equivocate it to legal/lawful. except here, y'all want it to mean not-lawful. I'm legitimately not smart enough to continue this conversation.
        worik 6y ago
        Depends if morals matter. If right and wrong are important then "legitimate" encompass them. So it s possible for something to be legal but not legitimate. There are not a lot of legal but absolutely immoral (the other way, illegal but legitimate - plenty) the actions of the FANG IMO definitely fall into the category of legal but illegitimate. Because to me good and evil are important considerations
        anigbrowl 6y ago
        That's just not true. Please don't make things up. Here are two (abridged) definitions from the Oxford dictionary: 1. conforming to the law or to rules 2. make legitimate; justify or make lawful. You're choosing to ignore the verb make in the second definition, describing the act of conferring legitimacy on something, which necessarily implies that it was previously lacking.
- beowulfey 6y ago
  On the contrary, pervasive targeted marketing is exactly a legitimate business reason in the context of increasing revenue efficiently, as most corporations want to do.
  - kennywinker 6y ago
    Selling cocaine is a great way to efficiently increase revenue, but it's not a legitimate way
    - nemothekid 6y ago
      Selling cocaine is a legitimate way to increase revenue. If the cocaine is real (i.e you aren't selling flour) then why wouldn't it be legitimate? It might not be legal, but CocaCola is allowed to import coca leaves by the millions.
      - nkurz 6y ago
        Don't be ridiculous! It would be absurd for the Coca Cola company to be allowed to directly import coca leaves for use in their "secret" recipe. Instead, it's an intermediary (the "Stepan Company") who imports the 200,000 lbs of coca leaves each year, removes the cocaine for pharmaceutical use, and then sells the remaining "flavor" extracts to Coca Cola: https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/01/business/how-coca-cola-obtains-its-coca.html https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/01/business/how-coca-cola-ob... (which is to say, thanks for encouraging me to learn about this)
      - kennywinker 6y ago
        I think we're getting confused on word meanings here. Legitimate is far too vague a work. I'm trying to get at the idea that just because something would WORK doesn't make it ok to do. There is what is possible under capitalism (anything legal) and then there is what is RIGHT. Selling cocaine isn't JUST illegal, it's also probably wrong due to it's addictive properties. Similarly, selling people's data and tracking people without their consent is legal, but it's also wrong in most people's opinion.