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Good. RMS did nothing wrong really, and is the victim of a pile-on by people who can't tolerate others' opinions. I'm glad to see that Debian isn't caving to t

Good. RMS did nothing wrong really, and is the victim of a pile-on by people who can't tolerate others' opinions. I'm glad to see that Debian isn't caving to the ignorant masses here. The FSF under RMS's leadership has done more for computing freedom than any other organization. So what if RMS is outspoken about his beliefs? That's exactly the forthright attitude that enabled him to succeed in promoting the GPL so widely. We should all be very glad of this, and not condemn the man just because a few whiners can't deal with someone disagreeing with them.

krastanov 5y ago
It is not enough to be "right" to promote a good idea. You need to be a charismatic leader to succeed at FSF's mission. Independently of whether RMS is an intolerant creep or a misunderstood visionary, I do not think it should be difficult to see that he would not be an efficient evangelist for FSF today.
- account42 5y ago
  On the contrary, what the FSF needs is precisely a leader that does not compromise his views in order to win the popularity game.
  - solosoyokaze 5y ago
    The FSF is already beyond useless. They don't "need" anything as they don't accomplish anything. It's just a cult of personality around RMS at this point. It's beyond redemption.
  - krastanov 5y ago
    I think you are missing the point I was making: If you can not inspire others to action, it does not matter whether you are right, because you will not make the world a better place by simply being right.
solosoyokaze 5y ago
Why should anyone be subjected to RMS’ opinion on the age of consent? Or the Epstein case? RMS created this situation by injecting his unwanted opinions into to public sphere and now he’s rightfully paying the price for that.
- account42 5y ago
  You don't have to visit RMS' personal website if you don't want to be "subjected" to his opinions. As for the Minsky defence, Stallmans position is an entirely rational one and the world would be a much better place if more people would stand up to defend those being attacked by the mob.
  - solosoyokaze 5y ago
    > As for the Minsky defence, Stallmans position is an entirely rational one and the world would be a much better place if more people would stand up to defend those being attacked by the mob. You're talking about defending a client in a child sex trafficking ring. That is absolutely disgusting and irrational. It does nothing but harm the free software movement, just as RMS' many other actions have done.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      Yet again you crawl on this forum to spread unproven allegations. Case against Minsky is based on one witness testimony which is contradictes by the testimony of another witness. This was never tried in court, yet, you, time and again, present this allegation as a proven fact. Moreover, the whole ordeal is reported in a very unspecific and imprecise manner, which Stallman rightfully criticized. He also had never defended Epstein. Your account here exists only for a crusade against Stallman, and i think that this site rules forbid that.
      - solosoyokaze 5y ago
        > Case against Minsky is based on one witness testimony which is contradictes by the testimony of another witness Absolutely false, you've fabricated this. Again, RMS' defense of his friend's involvement in a child sex trafficking ring is indefensible and those of you trying to defend it are dragging our industry and free software ideals through the mud. You're harming every single initiative you claim to support. There was no reason for RMS to talk about the Minsky case, fabricate a secnario involving Epstein's victims or discuss lowering the age of consent. None. It was a bullet in the head of the FSF. > Your account here exists only for a crusade against Stallman, and i think that this site rules forbid that. Again, incorrect. Yes I'm bothered by the toxicity being displayed by RMS' supporters, because I care about having a healthy work environment. I post about plenty of other things too though.

krastanov 5y ago

It is not enough to be "right" to promote a good idea. You need to be a charismatic leader to succeed at FSF's mission. Independently of whether RMS is an intolerant creep or a misunderstood visionary, I do not think it should be difficult to see that he would not be an efficient evangelist for FSF today.

account42 5y ago
On the contrary, what the FSF needs is precisely a leader that does not compromise his views in order to win the popularity game.
- solosoyokaze 5y ago
  The FSF is already beyond useless. They don't "need" anything as they don't accomplish anything. It's just a cult of personality around RMS at this point. It's beyond redemption.
- krastanov 5y ago
  I think you are missing the point I was making: If you can not inspire others to action, it does not matter whether you are right, because you will not make the world a better place by simply being right.

solosoyokaze 5y ago

Why should anyone be subjected to RMS’ opinion on the age of consent? Or the Epstein case? RMS created this situation by injecting his unwanted opinions into to public sphere and now he’s rightfully paying the price for that.

account42 5y ago
You don't have to visit RMS' personal website if you don't want to be "subjected" to his opinions. As for the Minsky defence, Stallmans position is an entirely rational one and the world would be a much better place if more people would stand up to defend those being attacked by the mob.
- solosoyokaze 5y ago
  > As for the Minsky defence, Stallmans position is an entirely rational one and the world would be a much better place if more people would stand up to defend those being attacked by the mob. You're talking about defending a client in a child sex trafficking ring. That is absolutely disgusting and irrational. It does nothing but harm the free software movement, just as RMS' many other actions have done.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    Yet again you crawl on this forum to spread unproven allegations. Case against Minsky is based on one witness testimony which is contradictes by the testimony of another witness. This was never tried in court, yet, you, time and again, present this allegation as a proven fact. Moreover, the whole ordeal is reported in a very unspecific and imprecise manner, which Stallman rightfully criticized. He also had never defended Epstein. Your account here exists only for a crusade against Stallman, and i think that this site rules forbid that.
    - solosoyokaze 5y ago
      > Case against Minsky is based on one witness testimony which is contradictes by the testimony of another witness Absolutely false, you've fabricated this. Again, RMS' defense of his friend's involvement in a child sex trafficking ring is indefensible and those of you trying to defend it are dragging our industry and free software ideals through the mud. You're harming every single initiative you claim to support. There was no reason for RMS to talk about the Minsky case, fabricate a secnario involving Epstein's victims or discuss lowering the age of consent. None. It was a bullet in the head of the FSF. > Your account here exists only for a crusade against Stallman, and i think that this site rules forbid that. Again, incorrect. Yes I'm bothered by the toxicity being displayed by RMS' supporters, because I care about having a healthy work environment. I post about plenty of other things too though.