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If so the investigators on the scene are wrong, from the article: “Herman said authorities believe no one else was in the car and that it burst into flames imm

If so the investigators on the scene are wrong, from the article: “Herman said authorities believe no one else was in the car and that it burst into flames immediately. He said it he believes it wasn’t being driven by a human. Harris County Constable Precinct 4 deputies said the vehicle was traveling at a high speed when it failed to negotiate a cul-de-sac turn, ran off the road and hit the tree.”

ajross 6y ago
Again, that scenario (taking a high speed turn in a cul-de-sac) just doesn't correspond to any known accessible autopilot behavior. Given the choice between "initial investigation was wrong" and "heretofore unseen high speed residential driving by autopilot" (also "non-autopilot driving from passenger seat" probably needs to be in the list), I know which way Occam points. To be glib: if you could get the car to drive itself at 60mph+ on a residential street, that shit would be all over youtube.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  I agree it doesn’t look like there’s much ramp up, I’d want to know why the people actually there sound so confident there was no 3rd party. Here’s the approximate location of the crash: https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69 https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69
  - camjohnson26 6y ago
    The WSJ article says they are almost 99.9% sure there was no driver. https://www.wsj.com/articles/fatal-tesla-crash-in-texas-believed-to-be-driverless-11618766363 https://www.wsj.com/articles/fatal-tesla-crash-in-texas-beli...
    - eurasiantiger 6y ago
      They are pulling that number out of someone’s ass.
  - wott 6y ago
    > https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69 https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69 Do they hold contests for the most complicated roof building, in this area?
    - tyingq 6y ago
      "Village Of Carlton Woods neighborhood is located in SPRING (77382 zip code) in MONTGOMERY county. Woodlands - Village Of Carlton Woods has 437 single family properties with a median build year of 2006 and a median size of 6,371 Sqft., these home values range between $789 - $3045 K" https://www.har.com/pricetrends/woodlands---village-of-carlton-woods-realestate/5362 https://www.har.com/pricetrends/woodlands---village-of-carlt... So, yes, sort of.
    - spiralx 6y ago
      It seems it's not just limited to that area :) https://mcmansionhell.com/ https://mcmansionhell.com/
- YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
  Occam's Razor says: "entities should not be multiplied without necessity", but it's your explanation that is "multiplying entities", specifically the occupants of the car and certainly without necessity: two car occupants suffice to cause an accident.
  - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
    Occam’s razor is peak midwit bullshit. “Believe the most braindead retarded simplistic explanation and reject everything else.” That’s Occam’s razor. Everyone using Occam’s razor should be permanently shadowbanned immediately. Right dang? Aren’t you all about curiosity?
  - tyingq 6y ago
    If you look at it on a map, it is very odd. The address where happened is maybe 200 meters into the cul-de-sac, which requires a hard right turn to enter. The crash site isn't very close to the right turn. And the street itself isn't long, maybe 300 meters total. Trying to imagine how it was going fast enough to cause this, well after a right turn, with nobody in the driver's seat...isn't easy. Occam's razor is hard to apply, because I don't see a simple explanation.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
      I don't think Occam's razor is hard to apply: there's no evidence of a third person in the car, there's no reason to assume a third person in the car. Occam's razor cuts out unlikely explanations. It doesn't help you find a likely explanation, but at least it helps you avoid wasting time in considering unlikely ones. Also, the modern interpretation of Occam's Razor, that "the simplest explanation is usually the right one" (see wikipedia) doesn't mean that the most likely explanation should be simple. For example, it can equivalently be restated as "the least complex explanation is usually the right one", which clarifies that the most likely explanation need not be simple, just less complex than others.
      - shkkmo 6y ago

ajross 6y ago

Again, that scenario (taking a high speed turn in a cul-de-sac) just doesn't correspond to any known accessible autopilot behavior. Given the choice between "initial investigation was wrong" and "heretofore unseen high speed residential driving by autopilot" (also "non-autopilot driving from passenger seat" probably needs to be in the list), I know which way Occam points. To be glib: if you could get the car to drive itself at 60mph+ on a residential street, that shit would be all over youtube.

camjohnson26 6y ago
I agree it doesn’t look like there’s much ramp up, I’d want to know why the people actually there sound so confident there was no 3rd party. Here’s the approximate location of the crash: https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69 https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  The WSJ article says they are almost 99.9% sure there was no driver. https://www.wsj.com/articles/fatal-tesla-crash-in-texas-believed-to-be-driverless-11618766363 https://www.wsj.com/articles/fatal-tesla-crash-in-texas-beli...
  - eurasiantiger 6y ago
    They are pulling that number out of someone’s ass.
- wott 6y ago
  > https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69 https://goo.gl/maps/4Rk3DPdtnnRQuGd69 Do they hold contests for the most complicated roof building, in this area?
  - tyingq 6y ago
    "Village Of Carlton Woods neighborhood is located in SPRING (77382 zip code) in MONTGOMERY county. Woodlands - Village Of Carlton Woods has 437 single family properties with a median build year of 2006 and a median size of 6,371 Sqft., these home values range between $789 - $3045 K" https://www.har.com/pricetrends/woodlands---village-of-carlton-woods-realestate/5362 https://www.har.com/pricetrends/woodlands---village-of-carlt... So, yes, sort of.
  - spiralx 6y ago
    It seems it's not just limited to that area :) https://mcmansionhell.com/ https://mcmansionhell.com/
YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
Occam's Razor says: "entities should not be multiplied without necessity", but it's your explanation that is "multiplying entities", specifically the occupants of the car and certainly without necessity: two car occupants suffice to cause an accident.
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  Occam’s razor is peak midwit bullshit. “Believe the most braindead retarded simplistic explanation and reject everything else.” That’s Occam’s razor. Everyone using Occam’s razor should be permanently shadowbanned immediately. Right dang? Aren’t you all about curiosity?
- tyingq 6y ago
  If you look at it on a map, it is very odd. The address where happened is maybe 200 meters into the cul-de-sac, which requires a hard right turn to enter. The crash site isn't very close to the right turn. And the street itself isn't long, maybe 300 meters total. Trying to imagine how it was going fast enough to cause this, well after a right turn, with nobody in the driver's seat...isn't easy. Occam's razor is hard to apply, because I don't see a simple explanation.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
    I don't think Occam's razor is hard to apply: there's no evidence of a third person in the car, there's no reason to assume a third person in the car. Occam's razor cuts out unlikely explanations. It doesn't help you find a likely explanation, but at least it helps you avoid wasting time in considering unlikely ones. Also, the modern interpretation of Occam's Razor, that "the simplest explanation is usually the right one" (see wikipedia) doesn't mean that the most likely explanation should be simple. For example, it can equivalently be restated as "the least complex explanation is usually the right one", which clarifies that the most likely explanation need not be simple, just less complex than others.
    - shkkmo 6y ago