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Source? My layman's understanding was that sex isn't a primary motivator for rapists and that for other kinds of impulsive behaviors the use of a surrogate stre

by hansvm 6y ago

Source? My layman's understanding was that sex isn't a primary motivator for rapists and that for other kinds of impulsive behaviors the use of a surrogate strengthened rather than quelled, e.g., violent tendencies. Is that not a correct worldview?

alanfranz 6y ago
Not OP and from mobile I can’t search an exact link, but search for the so called “Rhode Island experiment” and its impact on rape and sexual violence. The tldr is that at least a part of sexual violences DOES seem caused by a need for sex, and if you can buy it legally such violences can become fewer.
- hansvm 6y ago
  Thank you!
DoreenMichele 6y ago
There are lots of articles out there supporting this idea. Here is one: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601... I used the search term "study porn reduces incidence of rape"
- cardanome 6y ago
  Porn is not prostitution. There is no evidence that the later leads to an decrease in violence. Also considering that prostitutes are very often on the receiving end of violence this arguments only makes sense if you don't consider prostitutes to be people. We should not allow violent men to act out their fantasies. They need therapy. They can not be allowed to act out their fantasies on other human beings.
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    The definition of rape hinges on the detail of consent not how violent the encounter is. Longer version: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26854884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26854884
    - cardanome 6y ago
      Maybe think about why people call you a rape apologist. You are not technically wrong but the context in which you present this makes it very tacky. We can always talk about corner cases and what not but in a civilized society always ensuring the consent of both parties to the fullest extend is a reasonable stance to take. And yes, violating this rule and failing to acquire to get consent from the other party is a form of violence.
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freeflight 6y ago
Japan under US occupation was a depressing case-study of this: > Immediately after the Japanese surrendered in 1945, the Japanese Ministry of the Interior made plans to protect Japanese women in its middle and upper classes from American troops. Fear of an American army out of control led them to quickly establish the first “comfort women” stations for use by US troops. > By the end of 1945, the Japanese Ministry of Home Affairs had organized the Recreation Amusement Association (R.A.A.), a chain of houses of prostitution with 20,000 women who serviced occupation forces throughout Japan. > Five months after the occupation began, one in four American soldiers had contracted VD. The supply of penicillin back in the U.S. was low. When MacArthur responded by making both prostitution and fraternization illegal, the number of reported rapes soared, showing that prostitution and the easy availability of women had suppressed incidents of rape. > John Dower, in his Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II, cites author Yoshimi Kaneko's claim that while the U.S./Japanese-sponsored brothels were open “the number of rapes and assaults on Japanese women were around 40 a day,” but after they were closed, the number rose to 330 a day. https://apjjf.org/-Terese-Svoboda/3148/article.html https://apjjf.org/-Terese-Svoboda/3148/article.html Fair warning about the source: There are descriptions of some really nasty incidents in there.
hackinthebochs 6y ago
Another article that examines the evidence that rape isn't about sex, finds it lacking: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224498809551479 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0022449880955147... It's interesting how bad ideas gain widespread purchase in society. The idea that porn increases rape doesn't even pass the smell test, but its widely believed for some reason.

by hansvm 6y ago

alanfranz 6y ago

Not OP and from mobile I can’t search an exact link, but search for the so called “Rhode Island experiment” and its impact on rape and sexual violence. The tldr is that at least a part of sexual violences DOES seem caused by a need for sex, and if you can buy it legally such violences can become fewer.

hansvm 6y ago
Thank you!

DoreenMichele 6y ago

There are lots of articles out there supporting this idea. Here is one: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601... I used the search term "study porn reduces incidence of rape"

cardanome 6y ago
Porn is not prostitution. There is no evidence that the later leads to an decrease in violence. Also considering that prostitutes are very often on the receiving end of violence this arguments only makes sense if you don't consider prostitutes to be people. We should not allow violent men to act out their fantasies. They need therapy. They can not be allowed to act out their fantasies on other human beings.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  The definition of rape hinges on the detail of consent not how violent the encounter is. Longer version: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26854884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26854884
  - cardanome 6y ago
    Maybe think about why people call you a rape apologist. You are not technically wrong but the context in which you present this makes it very tacky. We can always talk about corner cases and what not but in a civilized society always ensuring the consent of both parties to the fullest extend is a reasonable stance to take. And yes, violating this rule and failing to acquire to get consent from the other party is a form of violence.

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freeflight 6y ago

Japan under US occupation was a depressing case-study of this: > Immediately after the Japanese surrendered in 1945, the Japanese Ministry of the Interior made plans to protect Japanese women in its middle and upper classes from American troops. Fear of an American army out of control led them to quickly establish the first “comfort women” stations for use by US troops. > By the end of 1945, the Japanese Ministry of Home Affairs had organized the Recreation Amusement Association (R.A.A.), a chain of houses of prostitution with 20,000 women who serviced occupation forces throughout Japan. > Five months after the occupation began, one in four American soldiers had contracted VD. The supply of penicillin back in the U.S. was low. When MacArthur responded by making both prostitution and fraternization illegal, the number of reported rapes soared, showing that prostitution and the easy availability of women had suppressed incidents of rape. > John Dower, in his Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II, cites author Yoshimi Kaneko's claim that while the U.S./Japanese-sponsored brothels were open “the number of rapes and assaults on Japanese women were around 40 a day,” but after they were closed, the number rose to 330 a day. https://apjjf.org/-Terese-Svoboda/3148/article.html https://apjjf.org/-Terese-Svoboda/3148/article.html Fair warning about the source: There are descriptions of some really nasty incidents in there.

hackinthebochs 6y ago

Another article that examines the evidence that rape isn't about sex, finds it lacking: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224498809551479 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0022449880955147... It's interesting how bad ideas gain widespread purchase in society. The idea that porn increases rape doesn't even pass the smell test, but its widely believed for some reason.