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This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundati

This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundation for the Defense of Democracies which is the most bellicose warmongering think tank in DC. They never met a poor third world country that they didn’t want bombed. As for 6G the reason we have no leadership is that Lucent was run into the ground by a mindset of constantly meeting Wall Street earnings expectations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucent Huawei surpassed the Europeans (Ericsson, Nokia Siemens etc...) because they invested and innovated and bet the farm on the foundational technology invented by Erdal Arikan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdal_Arıkan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdal_Arıkan https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-breakthrough/ https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-break... > Huawei is proposing a fundamental internet redesign, which it calls “New IP,” designed to build “intrinsic security” into the web. Intrinsic security means that individuals must register to use the internet We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them. > Instead, Huawei has worked through the United Nations’ International Telecommunications Union (ITU), where Beijing holds more political sway. The ITU is the right address that most countries accept as the standards bodies for telecommuncations interoperability. By the way we don’t have to abide by the ITU or the world as we routinely ignore the UN anyways. In fact there is precedence of us going our own way. We adopted CDMA and majority of the world adopted GSM in the first phase of the digital mobile adoption. They only truly converged on a mass market level about 15-20 years later with 4G. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Telecommunication_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Telecommunicatio... We can create our own version of 6G and ignore other approaches.

egberts1 6y ago
snippet from link to author link: Theo Lebryk is an intern at the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. He is also a Yenching Scholar at Peking University, where he is pursuing a Master’s in China Studies. His research focuses on media in China. He previously graduated from Harvard University with a joint concentration in Social Studies and East Asian Studies and a minor in Computer Science. After graduation, Theo was awarded a Michael C. Rockefeller Fellowship to explore homeless and food culture in Hong Kong. Me: I’d say he did his homework well.
- egberts1 6y ago
  Whoohoo! downvoted because i stated an opinion after a synopsis of an author (a fact).
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't post this sort of dross to HN. It makes threads considerably worse and is explicitly against the rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
khuey 6y ago
It's extremely easy to get anonymous Internet in the United States. Open wifi access points are everywhere and prepaid SIMs don't require any sort of ID or registration.
dicomdan 6y ago
They are proposing New IP system that requires people to register with their real ID in order to use the internet anywhere, not just in China. That’s pretty dystopian in my book.
- RealStickman_ 6y ago
  You have to verify your ID or drivers license to get a SIM in Switzerland
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Same in Germany. Different in NL though, or at least last I checked two years ago.
  - dicomdan 6y ago
    Do you also have to put your ID in to go browse WiFi in a nearby coffee shop? There’s plenty of ways to browse internet anonymously in Switzerland.
  - tibbydudeza 6y ago
    We have similar laws supposedly to stop people from using burner phones and engaging in crime.
ng55QPSK 6y ago
Ex-Lucent and Bell Labs you'll find today at Nokia e.g. https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/12/07/nokia-to-lead-the-eus-6g-project-hexa-x/ https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/12/07/noki...
jowsie 6y ago
> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them. In the UK at least a pre paid sim is 99p if you buy it from a shop, you can pay with cash and there's no registration procedure. I doubt we're the only country in the world that works like this.
- ur-whale 6y ago
  In the US, buying an anonymous SIM is as easy. Go to any bestbuy, the "registration" procedure is a joke: you can basically tell them your name is Rosie O'Donnell and live on the moon.
  - NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
    You don't need to register at all for most prepaid SIMs in the U.S.
- deleted 6y ago
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- varispeed 6y ago
  In countries where registration is required, you can simply ask a homeless person and they'll happily buy a sim for you for a small fee.
  - numpad0 6y ago
    And the store staffs won’t be able to activate the SIM if his place of residence and driver’s license or national ID card together can’t be verified at the other end of the FAX machine.
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  Even when I signed up for DSL in the UK, they didn't ask for personal details that could be verified. Didn't need a credit check either. I'm sure somebody there could make the connection to me but it's not like I needed to show any kind of identification.
ur-whale 6y ago
> This is a hilarious scaremongering article You're not addressing any of the dystopian points. China is a tyranny that treats its people like cattle, and when they present a tool that would give them absolute control over their population, all you can do is attack the technical aspects?
JI00912 6y ago
> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. This is just wrong. Whenever I travel I just get a 30 day or so SIM card. They've available everywhere. Not to mention WIFI access points here and there, e.g. at hotels, coffee shops etc.
dleslie 6y ago
> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. This is clearly false here in Canada. Open and free Wifi is everywhere, and you can purchase sims with cash and no id.
orf 6y ago
> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet You didn’t, and it reeks of upmost arrogance to even assume that you could “force” the world to do such a thing.
- finiteseries 6y ago
  American exceptionalism all too often seems to cut both ways. Particularly in the US citizens who have grown up in the aftermath of 9/11 amid their hyper power at the height of its power having a decade long meltdown, I have noticed a near complete lack of perspective regarding the agency of other countries, especially allies.
quattrofan 6y ago
Either you are Chinese sock puppet or an ignorant American. Lots of countries allow you to get online without ID including the US.
- dang 6y ago
  That's egregiously against the site guidelines. We've asked you not to post like this multiple times before. Not only have you kept doing it, you've mostly been posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, so I've banned the account. I hate to ban an account that has been around for over 10 years, but you can't vandalize HN like this. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
  - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
    Are you paid by the CCP? Honest question.
    - dang 6y ago
      This is your lucky day! Not only is your question answered in this recent Mini-FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 ... there's even a simple algorithm which will help you answer it for yourself in the future: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365
      - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
        >Q: But isn't this an important world situation? A: Sure—more important than most of what's on HN. That doesn't mean that HN's rules stop applying or that flamewar becomes ok. Also, people angrily yelling on the internet has nothing to do with helping oppressed peoples. It is about activated tribal emotion, and in that sense belongs to the problem rather than any step toward solution. That's pretty convenient if you ask me.But CCP is not some world event not having any impact whatsoever on majority of the people.This is CCP we are talking about not a military coup in Myanmar or North Korea. People have been laid off or harassed because they spoke in favor of HK or Taiwan. >Q: Are you secretly a spy, foreign agent, communist, astroturfer, racist, or sympathizer thereof? A: No; see step 4 of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365. We're just trying to have an internet forum that doesn't suck. The idea of HN has always [1] been to avoid becoming scorched earth [2] or at least to stave off that fate for a while longer [3]. Scorched earth is not interesting, and threads like these are unfortunately a fast road to hell. Yes the possibility of CCP that has its hands in almost any industry sector would not possibly favor those that willingly censor critics of the CCP. Also there is nothing nationalistic when it comes to critique of CCP. CCP != Chinese people.
jh0 6y ago
You completely avoided the main point of the article which is people having their internet access revoked becoming equivalent to losing your drivers license. Right now you cannot be banned from the internet, the only way government can withhold internet access is through imprisonment, the internet should be open for all.

egberts1 6y ago

snippet from link to author link: Theo Lebryk is an intern at the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. He is also a Yenching Scholar at Peking University, where he is pursuing a Master’s in China Studies. His research focuses on media in China. He previously graduated from Harvard University with a joint concentration in Social Studies and East Asian Studies and a minor in Computer Science. After graduation, Theo was awarded a Michael C. Rockefeller Fellowship to explore homeless and food culture in Hong Kong. Me: I’d say he did his homework well.

egberts1 6y ago
Whoohoo! downvoted because i stated an opinion after a synopsis of an author (a fact).
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't post this sort of dross to HN. It makes threads considerably worse and is explicitly against the rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

khuey 6y ago

It's extremely easy to get anonymous Internet in the United States. Open wifi access points are everywhere and prepaid SIMs don't require any sort of ID or registration.

dicomdan 6y ago

They are proposing New IP system that requires people to register with their real ID in order to use the internet anywhere, not just in China. That’s pretty dystopian in my book.

RealStickman_ 6y ago
You have to verify your ID or drivers license to get a SIM in Switzerland
- luckylion 6y ago
  Same in Germany. Different in NL though, or at least last I checked two years ago.
- dicomdan 6y ago
  Do you also have to put your ID in to go browse WiFi in a nearby coffee shop? There’s plenty of ways to browse internet anonymously in Switzerland.
- tibbydudeza 6y ago
  We have similar laws supposedly to stop people from using burner phones and engaging in crime.

ng55QPSK 6y ago

Ex-Lucent and Bell Labs you'll find today at Nokia e.g. https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/12/07/nokia-to-lead-the-eus-6g-project-hexa-x/ https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/12/07/noki...

jowsie 6y ago

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them. In the UK at least a pre paid sim is 99p if you buy it from a shop, you can pay with cash and there's no registration procedure. I doubt we're the only country in the world that works like this.

ur-whale 6y ago
In the US, buying an anonymous SIM is as easy. Go to any bestbuy, the "registration" procedure is a joke: you can basically tell them your name is Rosie O'Donnell and live on the moon.
- NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
  You don't need to register at all for most prepaid SIMs in the U.S.
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]
varispeed 6y ago
In countries where registration is required, you can simply ask a homeless person and they'll happily buy a sim for you for a small fee.
- numpad0 6y ago
  And the store staffs won’t be able to activate the SIM if his place of residence and driver’s license or national ID card together can’t be verified at the other end of the FAX machine.
throwaway3699 6y ago
Even when I signed up for DSL in the UK, they didn't ask for personal details that could be verified. Didn't need a credit check either. I'm sure somebody there could make the connection to me but it's not like I needed to show any kind of identification.

ur-whale 6y ago

> This is a hilarious scaremongering article You're not addressing any of the dystopian points. China is a tyranny that treats its people like cattle, and when they present a tool that would give them absolute control over their population, all you can do is attack the technical aspects?

JI00912 6y ago

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. This is just wrong. Whenever I travel I just get a 30 day or so SIM card. They've available everywhere. Not to mention WIFI access points here and there, e.g. at hotels, coffee shops etc.

dleslie 6y ago

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. This is clearly false here in Canada. Open and free Wifi is everywhere, and you can purchase sims with cash and no id.

orf 6y ago

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet You didn’t, and it reeks of upmost arrogance to even assume that you could “force” the world to do such a thing.

finiteseries 6y ago
American exceptionalism all too often seems to cut both ways. Particularly in the US citizens who have grown up in the aftermath of 9/11 amid their hyper power at the height of its power having a decade long meltdown, I have noticed a near complete lack of perspective regarding the agency of other countries, especially allies.

quattrofan 6y ago

Either you are Chinese sock puppet or an ignorant American. Lots of countries allow you to get online without ID including the US.

dang 6y ago
That's egregiously against the site guidelines. We've asked you not to post like this multiple times before. Not only have you kept doing it, you've mostly been posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, so I've banned the account. I hate to ban an account that has been around for over 10 years, but you can't vandalize HN like this. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- EdwinLarkin 6y ago
  Are you paid by the CCP? Honest question.
  - dang 6y ago
    This is your lucky day! Not only is your question answered in this recent Mini-FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 ... there's even a simple algorithm which will help you answer it for yourself in the future: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365
    - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
      >Q: But isn't this an important world situation? A: Sure—more important than most of what's on HN. That doesn't mean that HN's rules stop applying or that flamewar becomes ok. Also, people angrily yelling on the internet has nothing to do with helping oppressed peoples. It is about activated tribal emotion, and in that sense belongs to the problem rather than any step toward solution. That's pretty convenient if you ask me.But CCP is not some world event not having any impact whatsoever on majority of the people.This is CCP we are talking about not a military coup in Myanmar or North Korea. People have been laid off or harassed because they spoke in favor of HK or Taiwan. >Q: Are you secretly a spy, foreign agent, communist, astroturfer, racist, or sympathizer thereof? A: No; see step 4 of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26637365. We're just trying to have an internet forum that doesn't suck. The idea of HN has always [1] been to avoid becoming scorched earth [2] or at least to stave off that fate for a while longer [3]. Scorched earth is not interesting, and threads like these are unfortunately a fast road to hell. Yes the possibility of CCP that has its hands in almost any industry sector would not possibly favor those that willingly censor critics of the CCP. Also there is nothing nationalistic when it comes to critique of CCP. CCP != Chinese people.

jh0 6y ago

You completely avoided the main point of the article which is people having their internet access revoked becoming equivalent to losing your drivers license. Right now you cannot be banned from the internet, the only way government can withhold internet access is through imprisonment, the internet should be open for all.