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Microsoft promoting rust, never thought I’d live to see the day. Not clear why one would choose this over the official rust documentation and tutorials. Oh an

Microsoft promoting rust, never thought I’d live to see the day. Not clear why one would choose this over the official rust documentation and tutorials. Oh and also - it’s a trap. Microsoft are not friends of free software.

koheripbal 6y ago
How is it a trap? Please don't make vague accusations. If you have something substantive to add - describe it.
- loloquwowndueo 6y ago
  Oh vague? You mean like calling open-source software a "cancer" and "an intellectual-property destroyer” ? https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-red-hat-argue-open-source/ https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-red-hat-argue-open-sourc...
  - ulimn 6y ago
    I think what they meant by "vague" is that you did not tell us why you think it was a trap. :)
  - flohofwoe 6y ago
    Can you show some evidence that's less than two decades old though? ;) Open source has "won" in the meantime. Why would Microsoft be interested in turning back the clock now that the money is in services, no longer in software.
    - Qwertious 6y ago
      Open source has gone horribly right, but Free Software isn't anywhere close. The year of the linux desktop is literally a punchline, and Replicant shows that it's not possible to have a fully libre smartphone.
    - adkadskhj 6y ago
      > Can you show some evidence that's less than two decades old though? ;) I don't agree with the GP comment, but, i doubt they'd make this mistake again even if they believe it.
      - mayama 6y ago
        I guess the general attitude of FAANG and microsoft towards open source is that if they could make money with it, it's good. Once, companies saw you could make money with opensource, other concerns evaporated. This reminds me of all those ads that IBM spent promoting linux, but, ultimately didn't end up as winner with opensource.
dsnr 6y ago
> Oh and also - it’s a trap. Microsoft are not friends of free software. How does a freely available tutorial on a programming language have anything to do with someone's position on free software?
- est31 6y ago
  Check out how well their windows-rs project supports cross compilation. It also requires proprietary components to be present. Meanwhile winapi, the project windows-rs is a competitor for requires neither. Would I call it a trap? No, but MS hasn't shown well enough that they are friends to free software.
  - dsnr 6y ago
    I still don’t see the link between what you say and this rust tutorial.
decodebytes 6y ago
Microsoft are going big on rust and wasm. They have had their fingers burned to much in the past from being late adopters (linux, containers etc) and don't want to be at the back again.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  On the WASM side, Blazor and Flight Simulator plugins.
lights0123 6y ago
From the linked docs > For example, if your distribution uses the GNOME desktop, locate the Show Applications icon (a grid of dots) docked on the left side of the screen, usually near the bottom. This icon opens a full-screen list of all applications installed on your system. Why would they be teaching Linux beginners how to use GNOME if that was their opinion?
ridethebike 6y ago
You do know that they open sourced ton of stuff, right? Including .net core for example (under MIT license).

koheripbal 6y ago

How is it a trap? Please don't make vague accusations. If you have something substantive to add - describe it.

loloquwowndueo 6y ago
Oh vague? You mean like calling open-source software a "cancer" and "an intellectual-property destroyer” ? https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-red-hat-argue-open-source/ https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-red-hat-argue-open-sourc...
- ulimn 6y ago
  I think what they meant by "vague" is that you did not tell us why you think it was a trap. :)
- flohofwoe 6y ago
  Can you show some evidence that's less than two decades old though? ;) Open source has "won" in the meantime. Why would Microsoft be interested in turning back the clock now that the money is in services, no longer in software.
  - Qwertious 6y ago
    Open source has gone horribly right, but Free Software isn't anywhere close. The year of the linux desktop is literally a punchline, and Replicant shows that it's not possible to have a fully libre smartphone.
  - adkadskhj 6y ago
    > Can you show some evidence that's less than two decades old though? ;) I don't agree with the GP comment, but, i doubt they'd make this mistake again even if they believe it.
    - mayama 6y ago
      I guess the general attitude of FAANG and microsoft towards open source is that if they could make money with it, it's good. Once, companies saw you could make money with opensource, other concerns evaporated. This reminds me of all those ads that IBM spent promoting linux, but, ultimately didn't end up as winner with opensource.

dsnr 6y ago

> Oh and also - it’s a trap. Microsoft are not friends of free software. How does a freely available tutorial on a programming language have anything to do with someone's position on free software?

est31 6y ago
Check out how well their windows-rs project supports cross compilation. It also requires proprietary components to be present. Meanwhile winapi, the project windows-rs is a competitor for requires neither. Would I call it a trap? No, but MS hasn't shown well enough that they are friends to free software.
- dsnr 6y ago
  I still don’t see the link between what you say and this rust tutorial.

decodebytes 6y ago

Microsoft are going big on rust and wasm. They have had their fingers burned to much in the past from being late adopters (linux, containers etc) and don't want to be at the back again.

pjmlp 6y ago
On the WASM side, Blazor and Flight Simulator plugins.

lights0123 6y ago

From the linked docs > For example, if your distribution uses the GNOME desktop, locate the Show Applications icon (a grid of dots) docked on the left side of the screen, usually near the bottom. This icon opens a full-screen list of all applications installed on your system. Why would they be teaching Linux beginners how to use GNOME if that was their opinion?

ridethebike 6y ago

You do know that they open sourced ton of stuff, right? Including .net core for example (under MIT license).