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Key difference is those are un-powered treadmills.

BoorishBears 5y ago
If you're actually interested in looking into this you're free to search and find multiple models powered and unpowered with similar designs: https://www.fitnesssuperstore.com/Woodway-Desmo-Evo-Treadmill-p/ww-des-evo.htm https://www.fitnesssuperstore.com/Woodway-Desmo-Evo-Treadmil... I stand by saying having the machine powered near kids is already game over. They should maybe add a child-safe mode that requires an additional pin to activate, guards are a red herring here
- willvarfar 5y ago
  The treadmills at a nearby gym have a cord you clip to your chest. If you go off the back of the mill, it tugs on the cord and triggers the dead-man-switch. Of course, I've never seen anyone attach the cord.
  - saalweachter 5y ago
    I do, at home or the gym, but I'll admit I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone else do it.
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    It has one, I have a Tread and it's referred to as the "key" and has the same type of clip. Kids of course don't know to use an emergency stop which is why I'm going on and on about maybe not being negligent parents and leaving kids near a piece of power equipment that causes 20k+ injuries a year... But apparently that's a radical take for HN
- cycomanic 5y ago
  This might sound a bit confrontational, but do you have any involvement with peloton? Because you've been posting multiple times in this thread posting pictures of other treadmills which don't have guards but clearly show a design which sits so close to the ground that it's impossible for something to be pulled under. So somehow I can't help but think if there are some other motives for your posts.
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    I have a Peloton Tread so I'm talking about something I own? I even mention shopping for one in another comment What kind of garbage comment is this anyways? I have one "top level" comment on this thread, and every other comment is replying to someone who replied to me. As if I'm the first person on HN to reply to people who replied to them. So much for "assume positive intent" right? - If you think guards mean you can leave your kids near a piece of exercise equipment capable of injuring a person 100 different ways be my guest. If I seem passionate about it's because of the utter absurdity! If someone left kids playing with a chainsaw and they got hurt you'd lock up the parents.... But somehow sticking a just as powerful motor on a abrasive belt driven device you literally stand on doesn't ring any alarm bells? Chainsaws and treadmills cause the same order of magnitude of injuries a year. It's a piece of dangerous power equipment. You're being negligent to let kids play near it. End of story.
    - ddingus 5y ago
      It could be a far less dangerous power equipment, and should be. The difference? Far fewer people who make mistakes will end up with severe consequences. Had that been done, this story would likely not be a discussion. The fact that it is a discussion is why product safety is a thing. And it will prove to be smart business too. The fallout from this will be extremely likely to exceed the cost of more safe engineering. Doing that engineering is cheap insurance for everyone. Too many stories like this will eventually result in that engineering being a requirement too. Nobody is defending the parents. I won't. But, the high price paid did not have to happen too. Producing products carries a responsibility to the general public. It is cheaper for the enterprise to say, "fuck 'em, they better watch out." Stories like this actualize those external costs, and justify regulation to insure those external costs are not out of hand too. Fact is anyone shipping power like this into homes knows stuff happens to even the best parents. Part of making the money involves doing the work to minimize danger. And it has to be that way, or the carnage would be unacceptable. These people short cut all that and now have a nice shiny bit of gore to their name. Next time, do the work, because people are not perfect and sometimes shit happens. Even better? Had they done the work, they would be in a strong position to talk about safety around their gear, but they did not care, leaving them in a very poor, "who are you to talk?" position, deservedly so.

If you're actually interested in looking into this you're free to search and find multiple models powered and unpowered with similar designs: https://www.fitnesssuperstore.com/Woodway-Desmo-Evo-Treadmill-p/ww-des-evo.htm https://www.fitnesssuperstore.com/Woodway-Desmo-Evo-Treadmil... I stand by saying having the machine powered near kids is already game over. They should maybe add a child-safe mode that requires an additional pin to activate, guards are a red herring here

willvarfar 5y ago
The treadmills at a nearby gym have a cord you clip to your chest. If you go off the back of the mill, it tugs on the cord and triggers the dead-man-switch. Of course, I've never seen anyone attach the cord.
- saalweachter 5y ago
  I do, at home or the gym, but I'll admit I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone else do it.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  It has one, I have a Tread and it's referred to as the "key" and has the same type of clip. Kids of course don't know to use an emergency stop which is why I'm going on and on about maybe not being negligent parents and leaving kids near a piece of power equipment that causes 20k+ injuries a year... But apparently that's a radical take for HN
cycomanic 5y ago
This might sound a bit confrontational, but do you have any involvement with peloton? Because you've been posting multiple times in this thread posting pictures of other treadmills which don't have guards but clearly show a design which sits so close to the ground that it's impossible for something to be pulled under. So somehow I can't help but think if there are some other motives for your posts.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  I have a Peloton Tread so I'm talking about something I own? I even mention shopping for one in another comment What kind of garbage comment is this anyways? I have one "top level" comment on this thread, and every other comment is replying to someone who replied to me. As if I'm the first person on HN to reply to people who replied to them. So much for "assume positive intent" right? - If you think guards mean you can leave your kids near a piece of exercise equipment capable of injuring a person 100 different ways be my guest. If I seem passionate about it's because of the utter absurdity! If someone left kids playing with a chainsaw and they got hurt you'd lock up the parents.... But somehow sticking a just as powerful motor on a abrasive belt driven device you literally stand on doesn't ring any alarm bells? Chainsaws and treadmills cause the same order of magnitude of injuries a year. It's a piece of dangerous power equipment. You're being negligent to let kids play near it. End of story.
  - ddingus 5y ago
    It could be a far less dangerous power equipment, and should be. The difference? Far fewer people who make mistakes will end up with severe consequences. Had that been done, this story would likely not be a discussion. The fact that it is a discussion is why product safety is a thing. And it will prove to be smart business too. The fallout from this will be extremely likely to exceed the cost of more safe engineering. Doing that engineering is cheap insurance for everyone. Too many stories like this will eventually result in that engineering being a requirement too. Nobody is defending the parents. I won't. But, the high price paid did not have to happen too. Producing products carries a responsibility to the general public. It is cheaper for the enterprise to say, "fuck 'em, they better watch out." Stories like this actualize those external costs, and justify regulation to insure those external costs are not out of hand too. Fact is anyone shipping power like this into homes knows stuff happens to even the best parents. Part of making the money involves doing the work to minimize danger. And it has to be that way, or the carnage would be unacceptable. These people short cut all that and now have a nice shiny bit of gore to their name. Next time, do the work, because people are not perfect and sometimes shit happens. Even better? Had they done the work, they would be in a strong position to talk about safety around their gear, but they did not care, leaving them in a very poor, "who are you to talk?" position, deservedly so.