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I agree with his opinion. The analogy holds quite well if you don't try to stretch it. Both products are attractive to kids, in different ways, but ultimately h

I agree with his opinion. The analogy holds quite well if you don't try to stretch it. Both products are attractive to kids, in different ways, but ultimately harm them - also in different ways. Nonetheless, they are comparable in this regard.

AmericanChopper 6y ago
In that same sense cigarettes and bicycles are comparably harmful. Both products are attractive to kids, in different ways, but ultimately harm them - also in different ways. As a parent, it’s your responsibility to choose what risks your children are exposed to. The basis of the comparison is that use of either product entails a certain level of risk, just as every single thing you can possibly do entails a certain level of risk. However the risks associated with each of those products are not comparable at all, and neither is the reward side of the equation.
- na85 6y ago
  Bicycles are fitness toys that do not harm the user directly, unlike cigarettes and instagram.
  - AmericanChopper 6y ago
    Of course they do. Children hurt themselves all the time on bicycles.
    - na85 6y ago
      Children also hurt themselves running. That's not the same thing as a product that is designed to cause harm.
      - AmericanChopper 6y ago
        Social media is not intentionally designed to cause harm. It simply has the potential to cause harm.
        na85 6y ago
        >Social media is not intentionally designed to cause harm Disagree 110%.
- jcpst 6y ago
  There is an established consensus that cigarettes are bad for kids. Sure, parents should keep parenting, but it’s acceptable to create messaging that Instagram is bad for children. It’s a public health issue. No one is creating messaging that bicycles are bad for kids. There are safety guidelines for using bicycles. There is no need for safety guidelines for cigarettes or Instagram for children, because there’s no benefit for children to use those things.
  - AmericanChopper 6y ago
    > It’s a public health issue. It’s really just a parenting issue. > There is no need for safety guidelines for cigarettes or Instagram for children, because there’s no benefit for children to use those things. It’s a social tool, there’s plenty of risk for harm with any form of socialization, especially with children. There’s also plenty of benefit for children to have with socialization, so your comments here just seem very obviously wrong to me. If you’re a parent you may find those risks to be unacceptable. Especially if you’re a parent who relies on other parties to do most of your parenting for you. But all the arguments put forward here just make the claim that there’s a risk for harm, and as such instagram must be comparably harmful to cigarettes. This is simply an anti-rational argument. It’s a risk decision, just like all the other risk decisions parents make for their children.
    - jcpst 6y ago
      It is comparably harmful to cigarettes. It is not for children. Instagram is not a social tool. Instagram is a commercial marketing tool where the users are the product being sold, at the whims of the latest behavioral psychology tactics. It is thinly veiled as a social tool. This is not comparable to typical socialization in children.
- danielrpa 6y ago
  Bicycles aren't "ultimately harmful". The risk of Instagram and cigarettes causing permanent, irreversible damage is very high. Also, neither offers any health benefits.

AmericanChopper 6y ago

In that same sense cigarettes and bicycles are comparably harmful. Both products are attractive to kids, in different ways, but ultimately harm them - also in different ways. As a parent, it’s your responsibility to choose what risks your children are exposed to. The basis of the comparison is that use of either product entails a certain level of risk, just as every single thing you can possibly do entails a certain level of risk. However the risks associated with each of those products are not comparable at all, and neither is the reward side of the equation.

na85 6y ago
Bicycles are fitness toys that do not harm the user directly, unlike cigarettes and instagram.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  Of course they do. Children hurt themselves all the time on bicycles.
  - na85 6y ago
    Children also hurt themselves running. That's not the same thing as a product that is designed to cause harm.
    - AmericanChopper 6y ago
      Social media is not intentionally designed to cause harm. It simply has the potential to cause harm.
      - na85 6y ago
        >Social media is not intentionally designed to cause harm Disagree 110%.
jcpst 6y ago
There is an established consensus that cigarettes are bad for kids. Sure, parents should keep parenting, but it’s acceptable to create messaging that Instagram is bad for children. It’s a public health issue. No one is creating messaging that bicycles are bad for kids. There are safety guidelines for using bicycles. There is no need for safety guidelines for cigarettes or Instagram for children, because there’s no benefit for children to use those things.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  > It’s a public health issue. It’s really just a parenting issue. > There is no need for safety guidelines for cigarettes or Instagram for children, because there’s no benefit for children to use those things. It’s a social tool, there’s plenty of risk for harm with any form of socialization, especially with children. There’s also plenty of benefit for children to have with socialization, so your comments here just seem very obviously wrong to me. If you’re a parent you may find those risks to be unacceptable. Especially if you’re a parent who relies on other parties to do most of your parenting for you. But all the arguments put forward here just make the claim that there’s a risk for harm, and as such instagram must be comparably harmful to cigarettes. This is simply an anti-rational argument. It’s a risk decision, just like all the other risk decisions parents make for their children.
  - jcpst 6y ago
    It is comparably harmful to cigarettes. It is not for children. Instagram is not a social tool. Instagram is a commercial marketing tool where the users are the product being sold, at the whims of the latest behavioral psychology tactics. It is thinly veiled as a social tool. This is not comparable to typical socialization in children.
danielrpa 6y ago
Bicycles aren't "ultimately harmful". The risk of Instagram and cigarettes causing permanent, irreversible damage is very high. Also, neither offers any health benefits.