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Ouch, 25% vs. 6%. That's how they value managers vs. (engineers? or everyone else?). Sad.
by fuzzythinker 5y ago
Ouch, 25% vs. 6%. That's how they value managers vs. (engineers? or everyone else?). Sad.
- sillysaurusx 5y agoI'm surprised there isn't more discussion on this. That's more than 4x more for managers than engineers.
- fuzzythinker 5y agoYes, 4x is a big gap, not just % wise, but dollar wise too. I'm sure they don't talk about it during the interview. But if somehow that information slipped in during interview, I would honestly just thank them for the time and walk out because I would never work for a company that believes in the large gap of the output of the 2 groups.
- slyall 5y agoIt's a standard sort of thing. The idea is that a non-manager has minimal ability to affect the company's bottom line. While those further up have the ability (and now have the incentive) to affect the profit of their division or the whole company. So a worker gets 100k with a 10% bonus, his boss gets $120k with a 40 percent bonus etc. In a good year the boss will get almost twice the worker but in a bad year he will make just 20% more.
- Thorrez 5y ago0.0004% is 4x 0.0001%. If it's a small amount then 4x really doesn't matter.
- hagy 5y agoThe compensation progression for a manager generally consists of a slow (if any growth) in base salary and most compensation increases come from stock and bonus. I believe this is generally the same for high level ICs. Some companies make it explicit that there is an IC level that corresponds to each manager level and both have the same compensation structure.
- CamelCaseName 5y agoWell, a) it's based of base salary, so managers may be making a lower base than others, and b) while both bonuses are based on company revenue, managers may have a higher target. It makes sense to have a larger part of sales' income be commission than, say, engineers, who may have less control over meeting revenue targets.
- ryandrake 5y agoIn what universe are managers averaging less base salary than individual contributors? Aside from a few outlier engineers you see from time to time...
- supernovae 5y agoI see it quite a bit... Managers will often have larger equity or bonus comp.
- Thorrez 5y agoLarry Page, Sergey Brin, Larry Ellison, Mark Zuckerberg each have a $1 salary. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032315/why-did-larry-page-pay-himself-salary-only-1-year-google.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032315/why-did-larr...
- liamwire 5y agoThis is just arguing in bad faith.
- Thorrez 5y agoI don't think I'm intending to deceive anyone. It's an interesting salary setup that popped into my mind when I read CamelCaseName's, ryandrake's, and supernovae's comments. I'm sorry if it came off as deceitful or misled anyone.
- Lev1a 5y agoThey've already made more money than they or their descendants (probably for generations) will ever need and are very likely also getting capital gains on that wealth through one way or another. The $1 salary is just posturing.
- human 5y agoWell, if the managers have a base salary of 100k and the engineers, 150k, I think it’s fair.
- heresie-dabord 5y agoIn any human hierarchy, the management of the hierarchy tends to view itself as the most important component. At the same time, it is literally the least talented.