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Some of the product listings are not great. I see non stick skillets that I know won’t last than a year or two with moderate use. Otherwise I like the concept.

chaostheory 5y ago
I agree with you. It looks like it made it onto the site because it has a lifetime warranty. Still, I’m not keen on eating flakes of PFAS aka Teflon as these types of products wear out
- darksaints 5y ago
  The hexclad pans do not use teflon. And you're expected to season them...the non-stick nature is actually very similar to carbon steel.
bushbaba 5y ago
It’s always amazed me that high carbon steel / cast iron / stainless steel pans aren’t more commonly used. You literally are buying it for life. They cook the food way better. And a small amount of oil is all that’s needed for eggs and other non stick applications
- lupinglade 5y ago
  They cook the best too - a good carbon steel pan is worth its weight in gold. Non-stick is utter garbage in comparison - and you're cooking on plastic and eating pieces of the coating. Food cooked on carbon steel or iron tastes so much better.
  - float4 5y ago
    > and you're cooking on plastic and eating pieces of the coating There are actually ceramic non-stick pans, in which case you'd be eating sand if I understand the concept correctly.
    - lupinglade 5y ago
      Non-stick pans do not last. The ceramic coating option is terrible and everything will stick to it with a vengeance within about 6-8 months or so if you use it regularly - our experience with Cuisinart.
      - genericone 5y ago
        Non-stick pans require a bit of care as well. The trick is to ensure no sudden temperature changes to the pan, which will differentially expand/contract the cooking surface. Differential expansion/contraction between the top and bottom surface will crack the non-stick coating in no time ( think expansion cracks in concrete and sidewalks ). What that usually comes down to is to let your non-stick pan cool to room temperature before you run water over it, even if you like seeing all that steam. Also, you weren't expecting to sear meat with your nonstick anyway so don't slap a massive cold slab of meat on your unoiled non-stick either.
      - wander_homer 5y ago
        We got two ceramic coated pans 6 years ago and they're almost as good as new even though we used one of them for almost every cooked meal and the other like at least once every week. They're a pleasure to work with and I wouldn't want to miss them.
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 5y ago
    > and you're cooking on plastic and eating pieces of the coating. And with cast iron, you are cooking in random organic polymers and eating them. The patina of cast iron pans is random organic chemicals.
    - lupinglade 5y ago
      I've not seen our cast iron or carbon steel pans flaking off into food like I have seen with Teflon. I doubt there is much of anything harmful coming off during cooking -- not any more harmful than the cooked food itself likely.
    - gxnxcxcx 5y ago
      I too see a lot of sensible awareness towards PFAS, but often wonder how many (if any) good ol' PAHs get thrown into your food from the fat seasoning of non-coated pans.
- rolleiflex 5y ago
  I’ve bought into the cast iron hype a few years ago, and I have found it a little overhyped. There are several reasons why cast iron is not a common component of the average kitchen today. Here are mine: - The non-stickiness of cast iron has probably been best in class in its age. Today, we have Teflon. Teflon is so non-stick we have trouble having it stick to the pan when making pans. My understanding is that nothing, especially nothing you’re likely to have in your kitchen, beats Teflon, ever. (Kenji Lopez-Alt, a well known chef and/or food scientist alongside being a cast iron fan, also attests to this: https://www.seriouseats.com/2014/11/the-truth-about-cast-iron.html https://www.seriouseats.com/2014/11/the-truth-about-cast-iro...) - I’ve found that it does go against some of my (potentially hypochondriac) cleaning tendencies. Essentially, you can wash it and I think you can use soft soaps, but you can’t really actually scrub it with a hard sponge if you want to get the food out fully. It seems that the carbonisation of food and polymerisation of oil in a layer cake is in fact the thing gives the cast iron its nonstick properties. To someone used to the convivial shine of stainless steel, that’s a tough pill to swallow. Cast iron is cool, and I’m sure it has its uses, but as someone who only dabbles in kitchen stuff, I’ve found it very inconvenient and frustrating to use.
  - lupinglade 5y ago
    Properly seasoned it will be as non-stick as Teflon or better. Especially carbon steel, which is also lighter - the main down side of cast iron is weight. Teflon flakes are much worse for you than a bit of iron ever will be (not really an issue in these amounts).
    - rconti 5y ago
      I've spent an incredible amount of time trying to season my cast iron, and it just never works right. You'll hear various tips. Cook lots of bacon on it. Do this. Do that. "old cast iron is better than the new stuff". Etc. But, so far, that advice hasn't really gotten me anywhere.
      - bushbaba 5y ago
        A lot of cheaper cast iron is roughly finished and doesn’t have a smooth cook surface. Try getting a wire brush for a drill and smoothing it down. This is generally only an issue for cheaper cast iron pans. That or just get high carbon steel.
- colanderman 5y ago
  I tried a cast iron skillet and could not for the life of me get it to heat evenly. I'm talking like French toast burnt near the middle and uncooked at the edges. Stainless steel triple-ply (copper + aluminum) pans though have been fantastic. Even heating and nothing sticks with a bit of oil. I haven't figured out how to cook pancakes on them yet though, without relying on the Leidenfrost effect, at which point they just kinda burn and don't cook right.
  - rsfern 5y ago
    What kind of range do you have? Resistive heating can be a bit tricky with cast iron, but I’ve found that preheating the pan in the oven can help. Cast iron has really high thermal mass compared to clad cookware, and lower thermal conductivity
    - colanderman 5y ago
      This was with gas. I think I did try preheating once, but it was just too much prep work for regular use.
soneil 5y ago
I was surprised to spot apple's "magic mouse" there too. I'm fairly close to an apple fanboy, but even I'd admit non-replaceable batteries isn't compatible with "buy it for life"
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darksaints 5y ago
I'm an avid user of carbon steel pans, but I bought one of the hexclad pans just to try it out. It's actually really nice. I've used it about 50% of the time for over a year now, and it has held up really well. It's not as pretty as it was brand new, but it is still non-stick and there is no noticeable degradation.

chaostheory 5y ago

I agree with you. It looks like it made it onto the site because it has a lifetime warranty. Still, I’m not keen on eating flakes of PFAS aka Teflon as these types of products wear out

darksaints 5y ago
The hexclad pans do not use teflon. And you're expected to season them...the non-stick nature is actually very similar to carbon steel.

bushbaba 5y ago

It’s always amazed me that high carbon steel / cast iron / stainless steel pans aren’t more commonly used. You literally are buying it for life. They cook the food way better. And a small amount of oil is all that’s needed for eggs and other non stick applications

lupinglade 5y ago
They cook the best too - a good carbon steel pan is worth its weight in gold. Non-stick is utter garbage in comparison - and you're cooking on plastic and eating pieces of the coating. Food cooked on carbon steel or iron tastes so much better.
- float4 5y ago
  > and you're cooking on plastic and eating pieces of the coating There are actually ceramic non-stick pans, in which case you'd be eating sand if I understand the concept correctly.
  - lupinglade 5y ago
    Non-stick pans do not last. The ceramic coating option is terrible and everything will stick to it with a vengeance within about 6-8 months or so if you use it regularly - our experience with Cuisinart.
    - genericone 5y ago
      Non-stick pans require a bit of care as well. The trick is to ensure no sudden temperature changes to the pan, which will differentially expand/contract the cooking surface. Differential expansion/contraction between the top and bottom surface will crack the non-stick coating in no time ( think expansion cracks in concrete and sidewalks ). What that usually comes down to is to let your non-stick pan cool to room temperature before you run water over it, even if you like seeing all that steam. Also, you weren't expecting to sear meat with your nonstick anyway so don't slap a massive cold slab of meat on your unoiled non-stick either.
    - wander_homer 5y ago
      We got two ceramic coated pans 6 years ago and they're almost as good as new even though we used one of them for almost every cooked meal and the other like at least once every week. They're a pleasure to work with and I wouldn't want to miss them.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 5y ago
  > and you're cooking on plastic and eating pieces of the coating. And with cast iron, you are cooking in random organic polymers and eating them. The patina of cast iron pans is random organic chemicals.
  - lupinglade 5y ago
    I've not seen our cast iron or carbon steel pans flaking off into food like I have seen with Teflon. I doubt there is much of anything harmful coming off during cooking -- not any more harmful than the cooked food itself likely.
  - gxnxcxcx 5y ago
    I too see a lot of sensible awareness towards PFAS, but often wonder how many (if any) good ol' PAHs get thrown into your food from the fat seasoning of non-coated pans.
rolleiflex 5y ago
I’ve bought into the cast iron hype a few years ago, and I have found it a little overhyped. There are several reasons why cast iron is not a common component of the average kitchen today. Here are mine: - The non-stickiness of cast iron has probably been best in class in its age. Today, we have Teflon. Teflon is so non-stick we have trouble having it stick to the pan when making pans. My understanding is that nothing, especially nothing you’re likely to have in your kitchen, beats Teflon, ever. (Kenji Lopez-Alt, a well known chef and/or food scientist alongside being a cast iron fan, also attests to this: https://www.seriouseats.com/2014/11/the-truth-about-cast-iron.html https://www.seriouseats.com/2014/11/the-truth-about-cast-iro...) - I’ve found that it does go against some of my (potentially hypochondriac) cleaning tendencies. Essentially, you can wash it and I think you can use soft soaps, but you can’t really actually scrub it with a hard sponge if you want to get the food out fully. It seems that the carbonisation of food and polymerisation of oil in a layer cake is in fact the thing gives the cast iron its nonstick properties. To someone used to the convivial shine of stainless steel, that’s a tough pill to swallow. Cast iron is cool, and I’m sure it has its uses, but as someone who only dabbles in kitchen stuff, I’ve found it very inconvenient and frustrating to use.
- lupinglade 5y ago
  Properly seasoned it will be as non-stick as Teflon or better. Especially carbon steel, which is also lighter - the main down side of cast iron is weight. Teflon flakes are much worse for you than a bit of iron ever will be (not really an issue in these amounts).
  - rconti 5y ago
    I've spent an incredible amount of time trying to season my cast iron, and it just never works right. You'll hear various tips. Cook lots of bacon on it. Do this. Do that. "old cast iron is better than the new stuff". Etc. But, so far, that advice hasn't really gotten me anywhere.
    - bushbaba 5y ago
      A lot of cheaper cast iron is roughly finished and doesn’t have a smooth cook surface. Try getting a wire brush for a drill and smoothing it down. This is generally only an issue for cheaper cast iron pans. That or just get high carbon steel.
colanderman 5y ago
I tried a cast iron skillet and could not for the life of me get it to heat evenly. I'm talking like French toast burnt near the middle and uncooked at the edges. Stainless steel triple-ply (copper + aluminum) pans though have been fantastic. Even heating and nothing sticks with a bit of oil. I haven't figured out how to cook pancakes on them yet though, without relying on the Leidenfrost effect, at which point they just kinda burn and don't cook right.
- rsfern 5y ago
  What kind of range do you have? Resistive heating can be a bit tricky with cast iron, but I’ve found that preheating the pan in the oven can help. Cast iron has really high thermal mass compared to clad cookware, and lower thermal conductivity
  - colanderman 5y ago
    This was with gas. I think I did try preheating once, but it was just too much prep work for regular use.

soneil 5y ago

I was surprised to spot apple's "magic mouse" there too. I'm fairly close to an apple fanboy, but even I'd admit non-replaceable batteries isn't compatible with "buy it for life"

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darksaints 5y ago

I'm an avid user of carbon steel pans, but I bought one of the hexclad pans just to try it out. It's actually really nice. I've used it about 50% of the time for over a year now, and it has held up really well. It's not as pretty as it was brand new, but it is still non-stick and there is no noticeable degradation.