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Go read the actual urgent warning from the CPSC https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2021/CPSC-Warns-Consumers-Stop-Using-the-Peloton-Tread https://www.c

Go read the actual urgent warning from the CPSC https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2021/CPSC-Warns-Consumers-Stop-Using-the-Peloton-Tread https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2021/CPSC-Warns-... > It is believed that at least one incident occurred while a parent was running on the treadmill, suggesting that the hazard cannot be avoided simply by locking the device when not in use. This isn't a case of user-negligence, this is an inherently unsafe design where Peloton decided not to put a guard on the back of the machine.

loonster 5y ago
In my mind, it is in the same category as a power tool. A parent would be an idiot to use a circular saw near a young child. Using a treadmill near children is stupid. Bad things happen when people do stupid stuff.
- wpietri 5y ago
  Nah. The key difference is that power tools are supposed to reshape matter. Like knives, circular saws are inherently dangerous. This is more like a fan: some designs are very dangerous, but it's possible to design versions that are both effective and reasonably safe.
  - loonster 5y ago
    Its essentially a giant belt sander. Some belt Sanders are more dangerous than others. I have a toddler in my household. Even thinking of them playing around any treadmill gives me an anxiety attack. If you want a household item, it's like a stand mixer. Something that could break bones if not worse.
  - x0x0 5y ago
    I can't imagine what a treadmill design that is safe for children the age of the those in the video -- my guess 3 for the boy and 5 for the girl? -- to play on would be. If for no other reason than they can turn it on to a speed which will chuck them off. Or stick their fingers in the belt, etc.
    - wpietri 5y ago
      If you're saying kids shouldn't play on them unsupervised, I agree. But for those ages, the same thing is true of a bicycle. I'm just objecting to the notion that there's no difference between a bicycle or a treadmill and a circular saw as far as using them around children goes.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  People will routinely set these up in their living rooms.
  - alisonkisk 5y ago
    Why would someone dare use a product exactly as demonstrated in the advertising material?
    - loonster 5y ago
      Do they also advertise it with children playing nearby?
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        Does it matter? Children will play in living rooms. If you make gear intended for living rooms you need to make it child safe and pet safe. That's just common sense.
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- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Others have pointed out the fundamental and pragmatic differences between treadmills and power tools. E.g. it's unrealistic (excluding the long term) to keep people from putting a treadmill in their living space. Of course we could debate each difference, but then we're just discussing the differences between treadmills and power tools. Analogies are usually a lazy tool in the field of debate - you can state them easily, but they provide nothing of substance to anybody who doesn't already agree with you, unless you're using them for a much more specific point than "X is like Y, therefore they should be treated the same". Make your argument about treadmills, not about power tools. Also note that power tools are highly regulated and have many safety features.
  - loonster 5y ago
    Should households with children have treadmills if they cannot put them in a seperate exercise room? All treadmills are dangerous. I do not own one at all. I'm not going to tell someone that they are wrong because their level of acceptable risk is different than mine. I only ask that they accept the consequences of their decision.
    - MattRix 5y ago
      Based on your comments here, you seem to have not read the actual article, which specifically states that this treadmill is much more dangerous than a regular treadmill.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Blame is infinitely divisible the fact that parents share some blame doesn't reduce the companies fault one iota. Effectively both share the full sum of blame and we ought to both educate parents and force companies to make safer goods.
  - loonster 5y ago
    Maybe it should be treated like a swimming pool and require a locked room to keep children away.
    - lolinder 5y ago
      Or maybe companies shouldn't be allowed to release designs that don't include industry-standard safety features? A pool is a giant body of water, it can't help but be dangerous. Missing that safety guard causes this treadmill to unnecessarily pose a huge risk that most other treadmills have mitigated by fairly simple means.
rgbrenner 5y ago
I think this is the incident that section refers to (at 42 seconds): https://abcnews.go.com/WNN/video/child-dies-peloton-treadmill-accident-76554710 https://abcnews.go.com/WNN/video/child-dies-peloton-treadmil... It shows a yoga ball being pulled under the machine while the woman is running on it.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  That is one spectacularly bad design.
  - joering2 5y ago
    Such a sad situation. In addition, treadmills are many times more abusive to your joints that most other machines. Running fast on this at any weight of your body is like punching your joints with 80 pounds gloves. In 40 years you gonna see people walk with canes you will be moslty right if you assume they been heavy treadmill users. If you want to stay in shape and lose weight, climbers are heaven comparing to treadmills. On a climber you can set low speed and because you support yourself with hands, your legs joint are not as heavily abused as on treadmill. Do and hour on the lowest speed and I guarantee you lose bunch of weight and also will stay in shape heart wise. Nobody does slow speed on treadmill. Thats boring. But also average climber is some $15,000 comparing it to much simpler design of a belt and two rolls aka treadmill. That’s why Peleton has chosen them. btw treadmills were banned as cruel and inhumane by 1900.
    - fennecfoxen 5y ago
      Weren't 19th-century treadmills basically the climbing machines you've been praising? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_treadmill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_treadmill
    - galangalalgol 5y ago
      Row machines are my favorite. Only cardio machine that gets me out of breath faster than running. Deadlifting is probably faster. Large muscle groups taken to the limit need lots of O2. Nothing works calves as well as mid-foot running though. Maybe a bicycle?

loonster 5y ago

In my mind, it is in the same category as a power tool. A parent would be an idiot to use a circular saw near a young child. Using a treadmill near children is stupid. Bad things happen when people do stupid stuff.

wpietri 5y ago
Nah. The key difference is that power tools are supposed to reshape matter. Like knives, circular saws are inherently dangerous. This is more like a fan: some designs are very dangerous, but it's possible to design versions that are both effective and reasonably safe.
- loonster 5y ago
  Its essentially a giant belt sander. Some belt Sanders are more dangerous than others. I have a toddler in my household. Even thinking of them playing around any treadmill gives me an anxiety attack. If you want a household item, it's like a stand mixer. Something that could break bones if not worse.
- x0x0 5y ago
  I can't imagine what a treadmill design that is safe for children the age of the those in the video -- my guess 3 for the boy and 5 for the girl? -- to play on would be. If for no other reason than they can turn it on to a speed which will chuck them off. Or stick their fingers in the belt, etc.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    If you're saying kids shouldn't play on them unsupervised, I agree. But for those ages, the same thing is true of a bicycle. I'm just objecting to the notion that there's no difference between a bicycle or a treadmill and a circular saw as far as using them around children goes.
jacquesm 5y ago
People will routinely set these up in their living rooms.
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  Why would someone dare use a product exactly as demonstrated in the advertising material?
  - loonster 5y ago
    Do they also advertise it with children playing nearby?
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Does it matter? Children will play in living rooms. If you make gear intended for living rooms you need to make it child safe and pet safe. That's just common sense.
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happytoexplain 5y ago
Others have pointed out the fundamental and pragmatic differences between treadmills and power tools. E.g. it's unrealistic (excluding the long term) to keep people from putting a treadmill in their living space. Of course we could debate each difference, but then we're just discussing the differences between treadmills and power tools. Analogies are usually a lazy tool in the field of debate - you can state them easily, but they provide nothing of substance to anybody who doesn't already agree with you, unless you're using them for a much more specific point than "X is like Y, therefore they should be treated the same". Make your argument about treadmills, not about power tools. Also note that power tools are highly regulated and have many safety features.
- loonster 5y ago
  Should households with children have treadmills if they cannot put them in a seperate exercise room? All treadmills are dangerous. I do not own one at all. I'm not going to tell someone that they are wrong because their level of acceptable risk is different than mine. I only ask that they accept the consequences of their decision.
  - MattRix 5y ago
    Based on your comments here, you seem to have not read the actual article, which specifically states that this treadmill is much more dangerous than a regular treadmill.
michaelmrose 5y ago
Blame is infinitely divisible the fact that parents share some blame doesn't reduce the companies fault one iota. Effectively both share the full sum of blame and we ought to both educate parents and force companies to make safer goods.
- loonster 5y ago
  Maybe it should be treated like a swimming pool and require a locked room to keep children away.
  - lolinder 5y ago
    Or maybe companies shouldn't be allowed to release designs that don't include industry-standard safety features? A pool is a giant body of water, it can't help but be dangerous. Missing that safety guard causes this treadmill to unnecessarily pose a huge risk that most other treadmills have mitigated by fairly simple means.

rgbrenner 5y ago

I think this is the incident that section refers to (at 42 seconds): https://abcnews.go.com/WNN/video/child-dies-peloton-treadmill-accident-76554710 https://abcnews.go.com/WNN/video/child-dies-peloton-treadmil... It shows a yoga ball being pulled under the machine while the woman is running on it.

jacquesm 5y ago
That is one spectacularly bad design.
- joering2 5y ago
  Such a sad situation. In addition, treadmills are many times more abusive to your joints that most other machines. Running fast on this at any weight of your body is like punching your joints with 80 pounds gloves. In 40 years you gonna see people walk with canes you will be moslty right if you assume they been heavy treadmill users. If you want to stay in shape and lose weight, climbers are heaven comparing to treadmills. On a climber you can set low speed and because you support yourself with hands, your legs joint are not as heavily abused as on treadmill. Do and hour on the lowest speed and I guarantee you lose bunch of weight and also will stay in shape heart wise. Nobody does slow speed on treadmill. Thats boring. But also average climber is some $15,000 comparing it to much simpler design of a belt and two rolls aka treadmill. That’s why Peleton has chosen them. btw treadmills were banned as cruel and inhumane by 1900.
  - fennecfoxen 5y ago
    Weren't 19th-century treadmills basically the climbing machines you've been praising? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_treadmill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_treadmill
  - galangalalgol 5y ago
    Row machines are my favorite. Only cardio machine that gets me out of breath faster than running. Deadlifting is probably faster. Large muscle groups taken to the limit need lots of O2. Nothing works calves as well as mid-foot running though. Maybe a bicycle?