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Curious. I cannot understand it clearly. Lets take for example "my wife and my mother-in-law" illusion[1]. It is known for it's property that one cannot see bot
by ordu 6y ago
Curious. I cannot understand it clearly. Lets take for example "my wife and my mother-in-law" illusion[1]. It is known for it's property that one cannot see both women at once. If we assume that it has something to do with such a coding in neurons, would it mean that those women are orthogonal, or it would mean that they refuse to go orthogonal?
[1] https://brainycounty.com/young-or-old-woman https://brainycounty.com/young-or-old-woman
- chaps 6y agoHmmm.. I tried to visualize them both at the same time.. it took some effort, but quickly "oscillating" between the two ended up settling (without a jittery oscillating feeling) on seeing both at the same time. Maybe my brain was playing meta tricks on me though?
- c22 6y agoI can "see" both at the same time, but only if I am not focusing on either. I think this conflict of focus is the real effect people are talking about.
- Baeocystin 6y agoReally? I have no trouble seeing both at the same time. Nothing special about it, the angles of their respective faces are different enough that it doesn't feel like there's any interference at all.
- bserge 6y agoBut do you really see both at the same time or you just switch between them really fast?
- treeman79 6y agoDoes it matter? My vision switches eyes every 30 seconds, unless I’m wearing prism glasses. I rarely notice unless I’m trying to write.
- Baeocystin 6y agoAt the exact same time. No oscillating.
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- mrbungie 6y agoI'm not really sure if I'm able to see both (or the three of them in the case of the 'Mother, Father and Daugther' figure), but at least I can switch stupidly fast.
- bserge 6y agoSorry, I'm pretty tired, but I fail to see the relation to this article, how does that example apply? I thought that was more of a case of a human's facial recognition being a special function, and we're not able to process two or more people's faces at the same time. Like, see the details in them, recognize that it's their face. You're either looking at one person, or the other, but if you try to look at both of them at the same time, they become "blurry", unrecognizable, even though you remember all the other information about them both. But that's not related to memory integrity and new emotions/sensations?
- ordu 6y agoIt is a work of human visual perception at work. Somehow you mind chooses how to interpret sensations from a retina, and shows you one of women. Then you mind chooses to switch interpretations and you see the other one. Both interpretation are somewhere in memory. So it may be connected with this research. Like with those chords in a research. Mice hear one chord, and by association from memory it expects other chord. But instead it hears some third chord. Expected and unexpected chords have perpendicular representation, if I understood correctly. Here you see a picture, and expects one interpretation or other. You have memory of both, but you get just one. Possibly it doesn't apply, I do not know. I'm trying to understand it. The obvious step is to make a prediction from a theory, should interpretations oscillate, if it has something to do with perpendicularity of representation in neurons? When I hear another chord instead of a predicted one, do prediction and sensations oscillate? I'm not quick enough to judge based on a subjective experience.
- vmception 6y agoWish they would outline the two variants I only see the young woman before I became disinterested in making the other one happen because why
- LordGrey 6y agoI spent 10 minutes staring at that picture and saw only the wife. The mother-in-law never appeared. This happens to me often.
- andrewmackrodt 6y agoI had trouble at first too until I noticed the ear looking a little suspicious. If you create a diagonal obstruction from the top of the hat, to the nose, you are left will only the mother-in-law; the ear has now become an eye. Once I'd seen it once, the mother-in-law is now prominent. I can still see the wife if I concisely choose to, but the mother-in-law is now the default, strange huh?
- LordGrey 6y agoThanks! That helped me finally see the mother-in-law. I showed my wife the picture and she couldn't see either woman until I pointed out features. Interesting!
- jamiek88 6y agoWow. That blew my tiny little mind. I figured out how to change it at will eventually, if you close your eyes then open them and look at the bottom of the picture first it’s an old woman. Do the reverse and it’s a young woman. Eventually you can do that without the eye closing step but never would I say I could see both at once. Just rapidly switch. Very interesting!