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There is no commitment to keeping the platforms in tier 1, 2 or 3 for any length of time or to provide advance warning before platforms are degraded, not to men

There is no commitment to keeping the platforms in tier 1, 2 or 3 for any length of time or to provide advance warning before platforms are degraded, not to mention that the tier 1 list is vastly insufficient (Arm64, x86, x86_64). Rustc is clearly meant to compile Rust applications and use for the Linux kernel, which from the point of view of this document would be narrower than tier 1, is highly experimental.

steveklabnik 6y ago
Where does Linux document how long platforms are guaranteed support? My understanding is there's not either. (And yes, we'd love to expand the tier list. It's a chicken and egg situation. That being said, I work mostly in tier 2 and 3 targets, and they just vary a lot. The ones I work in work as good as tier 1 targets do. The path to moving forward is bright for many of these.) > Rustc is clearly meant to compile Rust applications I don't see what about this implies that at all. As a core team member and someone writing an embedded OS at work, I can assure you that we don't think of Rust as purely an application language.
- HelloNurse 6y ago
  Maybe I'm unfamiliar with Rust, but if you list OSX, Linux and Windows on identical processors as different platforms they are platforms for applications, not for an OS kernel that runs on "bare metal": it implies that support includes relying on OS provided system calls to manage processes, implement the standard library, etc.
  - steveklabnik 6y ago
    Sure, the standard library on those targets depends on OS services. But you don’t have to use the standard library. Many people do write userspace programs in Rust, just like they do in C. That doesn’t mean that it’s only useful or intended for userspace, just like C. It takes more work to port an entire standard library than to not.
myrrlyn 6y ago
unless you plan to run `rustc` as a kernelspace application, anything in tier 2 (`core`, `alloc`, maybe `std` all compile and likely pass tests) is sufficient

steveklabnik 6y ago

Where does Linux document how long platforms are guaranteed support? My understanding is there's not either. (And yes, we'd love to expand the tier list. It's a chicken and egg situation. That being said, I work mostly in tier 2 and 3 targets, and they just vary a lot. The ones I work in work as good as tier 1 targets do. The path to moving forward is bright for many of these.) > Rustc is clearly meant to compile Rust applications I don't see what about this implies that at all. As a core team member and someone writing an embedded OS at work, I can assure you that we don't think of Rust as purely an application language.

HelloNurse 6y ago
Maybe I'm unfamiliar with Rust, but if you list OSX, Linux and Windows on identical processors as different platforms they are platforms for applications, not for an OS kernel that runs on "bare metal": it implies that support includes relying on OS provided system calls to manage processes, implement the standard library, etc.
- steveklabnik 6y ago
  Sure, the standard library on those targets depends on OS services. But you don’t have to use the standard library. Many people do write userspace programs in Rust, just like they do in C. That doesn’t mean that it’s only useful or intended for userspace, just like C. It takes more work to port an entire standard library than to not.

myrrlyn 6y ago

unless you plan to run `rustc` as a kernelspace application, anything in tier 2 (`core`, `alloc`, maybe `std` all compile and likely pass tests) is sufficient