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> 7. Their pricing seems absurd. I actually really like their pricing model. You can buy years in advance, and they occasionally offer steep discounts (I think

> 7. Their pricing seems absurd. I actually really like their pricing model. You can buy years in advance, and they occasionally offer steep discounts (I think I bought two decades in advance around new year?). In a time where more and more services offer me no other way than some crappy monthly subscription that I cannot pay in advance and without auto-renewal, this is really much appreciated. That being said, a lot of your points seem valid - I've started using SN quite some time ago and haven't really noticed any new features since (except for some editor-improvements). Organization is indeed something that probably could use some love, the tags do suffice for me personally (especially with that one extension that lets you create folders with tags), but barely. While I appreciate their stability with regards to UX (it looks/feels the same since forever), the features you mentioned (collapsing, rightclick-menu) would not hurt. Their 'lack of new features' however is, as far as I understood, somewhat intentional - back when I bought it I've read somewhere on the page that they explicitly have the philosophy to also say 'No' to new features if they think it threatens their guarantee of long-term stability/support. Which I think is a very admirable stance these days where short-term-KPIs seem to dominate entire industries.

thecodrr 5y ago
> Their 'lack of new features' however is, as far as I understood, somewhat intentional. Um that sounds great but I don't see how a simple thing like a "right-click menu" endangers longevity? All their talk of simplicity and yet they allow you to add a whole spreadsheet editor? I suppose adding editors is simple stuff that's why they have so many. Maybe longevity = less work? Features are not bad. Some features are necessary. Some features enhance the general user experience and even make things simpler. Stagnation is not longevity, it's just slow death. As for pricing: sure, the long term plan is appealing but they ask $9/mo? Which is the most expensive note taking app out there, I think. You buy for 5 years or 20 years but what if nothing in the service changes in 20 years but your situation/use case changes drastically as is normal? What do you do of the additional money you paid? You can't get it back. I don't think 5 year commitment speaks of longevity, that's just marketing. Longevity would be them taking the money after 5 years, not before. I personally love monthly models because I spend exactly the amount I need and I can stop/pause when I want and start it again when I want. Its freedom and there's no commitment. That's why I added only 1 monthly plan in Notesnook. A service should ask you to commit long term because the risk is always too high. Instead it should allow for multiple ways to get your data out in case it ever goes down. And if it goes down, you can be sure that you lose only 1 month of fees.

thecodrr 5y ago

> Their 'lack of new features' however is, as far as I understood, somewhat intentional. Um that sounds great but I don't see how a simple thing like a "right-click menu" endangers longevity? All their talk of simplicity and yet they allow you to add a whole spreadsheet editor? I suppose adding editors is simple stuff that's why they have so many. Maybe longevity = less work? Features are not bad. Some features are necessary. Some features enhance the general user experience and even make things simpler. Stagnation is not longevity, it's just slow death. As for pricing: sure, the long term plan is appealing but they ask $9/mo? Which is the most expensive note taking app out there, I think. You buy for 5 years or 20 years but what if nothing in the service changes in 20 years but your situation/use case changes drastically as is normal? What do you do of the additional money you paid? You can't get it back. I don't think 5 year commitment speaks of longevity, that's just marketing. Longevity would be them taking the money after 5 years, not before. I personally love monthly models because I spend exactly the amount I need and I can stop/pause when I want and start it again when I want. Its freedom and there's no commitment. That's why I added only 1 monthly plan in Notesnook. A service should ask you to commit long term because the risk is always too high. Instead it should allow for multiple ways to get your data out in case it ever goes down. And if it goes down, you can be sure that you lose only 1 month of fees.