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Come on, don't use the word clean with regards to diet. It's a bs and meaningless word that specifies nothing. Is it no sugar, no salt, no meat, no gc organisms

Come on, don't use the word clean with regards to diet. It's a bs and meaningless word that specifies nothing. Is it no sugar, no salt, no meat, no gc organisms, no alcohol no processed, low carb, high carb? Clean is a word that suggests Instagram influencers. Clean does not mean bland or not bland, whole foods or not. It's a meaningless word like good, healthy, natural.

imwillofficial 5y ago
Subjective meaning is not no meaning. Good absolutely has a meaning. So does healthy, as does natural. Your lack of understanding of the context of use, and underlying meaning, is nobody's problem but your own. Perhaps you should have asked what He meant by clean, because clearly you don't understand.
- NotSammyHagar 5y ago
  what does clean mean to you then? Everything we consume has been modified from the original. Apples, wheat, tomatoes, corn - everything we eat has been significantly modified from what it was 10,000 years ago. Early farmers modified potatoes and everything else to grow more calories by genetic manipulation - like planting the ones that grow faster or bigger. Nothing and I mean nothing is like it was before mankind started eating it. We put selective breeding pressure on cows by breeding the ones we grow. I can make up a definition of clean but everyone has a sense of it themselves. Whole foods that are not significantly modified seems reasonable. But modified from what? https://www.primalorganicmiami.com/eat-clean-miami/ https://www.primalorganicmiami.com/eat-clean-miami/ As this website says "There is not a strict definition for “eating clean”. I still assert clean eating is meaningless. I'm not against healthy eating. But "healthy eating" or "clean foods" don't have definitions.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    ::woosh::
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    Asking somebody to clarify what they mean who is using a vague phrase is useful. Telling them to stop using a phrase that you personally don’t understand is not useful. Think of it this way, there may not be a nailed down definition of “clean” or healthy” eating. However, it gets you in a “range of uncertainty” Is McDonalds clean? No. Is Pizza clean? Nope. Is brown rice clean? Maybe. I should ask what they mean by their usage of clean. Have I made my point a little bitter? I view usage of vague terms like that not as useless, but as “gets you close to the target without getting lost in the weeds.” Hope this helps.
kbaker 5y ago
I mean, they did qualify it in the same sentence with "different foods, processed stuff, fast food, alcohol, harsh additives, fried/burned food etc. on occasion". Although I don't know any diet that would be "clean" compared with a water fast...
- PartiallyTyped 5y ago
  > Although I don't know any diet that would be "clean" compared with a water fast... Vegan perhaps?
jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 5y ago
> It's a bs and meaningless word that specifies nothing It's neither bs nor meaningless. It intuitively describes a good diet if you have a basic knowledge of food and diet. It basically means "what is good for you". What would you describe as "clean", deep fried butter or broccoli sprouts? See how it's intuitive?
- shawnz 5y ago
  "what is good for you" is a completely tautological way of defining "a good diet". How can you say you are not just reinforcing your own presuppositions? The only intuitive difference I see in those scenarios is that one has less calories and less fat (which are obviously both essential components of any diet).
kossTKR 5y ago
That's definately not true, also what's up with the hostile tone? "Clean" is pretty well understood as what's left after you finish an elimination diet. As i just described it can be different for different people but in general, super high fat, super high carbohydrate, meals that are too large or too frequent, too much alcohol, lots of additives, lots of candy or cake, too many heavy metals from fish, too much fried food, too much low quality processed foods including cheap oils that has gone semi rancid, corn syrup, various carcinogens are all agreed upon across various a large spectrum of diets from Vegan to Paleo including nutrition research. It probably also depends on ones own gut flora. Pausing eating or just eating a pretty bland diet without above "luxuries" and you definitely get less of these things, that's partly why fasting works for a lot of people.

imwillofficial 5y ago

Subjective meaning is not no meaning. Good absolutely has a meaning. So does healthy, as does natural. Your lack of understanding of the context of use, and underlying meaning, is nobody's problem but your own. Perhaps you should have asked what He meant by clean, because clearly you don't understand.

NotSammyHagar 5y ago
what does clean mean to you then? Everything we consume has been modified from the original. Apples, wheat, tomatoes, corn - everything we eat has been significantly modified from what it was 10,000 years ago. Early farmers modified potatoes and everything else to grow more calories by genetic manipulation - like planting the ones that grow faster or bigger. Nothing and I mean nothing is like it was before mankind started eating it. We put selective breeding pressure on cows by breeding the ones we grow. I can make up a definition of clean but everyone has a sense of it themselves. Whole foods that are not significantly modified seems reasonable. But modified from what? https://www.primalorganicmiami.com/eat-clean-miami/ https://www.primalorganicmiami.com/eat-clean-miami/ As this website says "There is not a strict definition for “eating clean”. I still assert clean eating is meaningless. I'm not against healthy eating. But "healthy eating" or "clean foods" don't have definitions.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  ::woosh::
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  Asking somebody to clarify what they mean who is using a vague phrase is useful. Telling them to stop using a phrase that you personally don’t understand is not useful. Think of it this way, there may not be a nailed down definition of “clean” or healthy” eating. However, it gets you in a “range of uncertainty” Is McDonalds clean? No. Is Pizza clean? Nope. Is brown rice clean? Maybe. I should ask what they mean by their usage of clean. Have I made my point a little bitter? I view usage of vague terms like that not as useless, but as “gets you close to the target without getting lost in the weeds.” Hope this helps.

kbaker 5y ago

I mean, they did qualify it in the same sentence with "different foods, processed stuff, fast food, alcohol, harsh additives, fried/burned food etc. on occasion". Although I don't know any diet that would be "clean" compared with a water fast...

PartiallyTyped 5y ago
> Although I don't know any diet that would be "clean" compared with a water fast... Vegan perhaps?

jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 5y ago

> It's a bs and meaningless word that specifies nothing It's neither bs nor meaningless. It intuitively describes a good diet if you have a basic knowledge of food and diet. It basically means "what is good for you". What would you describe as "clean", deep fried butter or broccoli sprouts? See how it's intuitive?

shawnz 5y ago
"what is good for you" is a completely tautological way of defining "a good diet". How can you say you are not just reinforcing your own presuppositions? The only intuitive difference I see in those scenarios is that one has less calories and less fat (which are obviously both essential components of any diet).

kossTKR 5y ago

That's definately not true, also what's up with the hostile tone? "Clean" is pretty well understood as what's left after you finish an elimination diet. As i just described it can be different for different people but in general, super high fat, super high carbohydrate, meals that are too large or too frequent, too much alcohol, lots of additives, lots of candy or cake, too many heavy metals from fish, too much fried food, too much low quality processed foods including cheap oils that has gone semi rancid, corn syrup, various carcinogens are all agreed upon across various a large spectrum of diets from Vegan to Paleo including nutrition research. It probably also depends on ones own gut flora. Pausing eating or just eating a pretty bland diet without above "luxuries" and you definitely get less of these things, that's partly why fasting works for a lot of people.