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We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax

We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax work from home policy and should have stayed home I guess? I’m no fan of the actual “organization” or the people behind it though, and it’s sad FB is actively censuring information.

nvr219 5y ago
Hi Winston, I want to know something: when cops murder somebody do you make a comment about it on hn or social media or anywhere, or do you only make comments when car windows get smashed?
- weeweww32 5y ago
  13% do 57%
  - barbacoa 5y ago
    What do those numbers mean?
    - weeweww32 5y ago
      FBI crime statistics (13% of the population 57% of the violent crime) https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
      - bingbong70 5y ago
        And according to exoneration data, innocent African American suspects are: - 7 times more likely to be falsely convicted of murder than innocent white suspects. - 3.5 times more likely ... for sexual assaults. 7x & 3.5x are lowballs since I expect only a relatively small % can actually afford to prove their innocence. Conclusion: Good luck getting accurate crime stats from some of the most historically racist institutions in the USA. Exoneration Stats https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race...
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- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  I am completely against BLM and I am also completely against public police - and comment on both issues. I'm against public police because they do a terrible job (in a lot of ways, from racing to just being incompetent, to persecuting victimless crimes) and I wish we had private police. The only positive thing that could have come out of BLM was a discussion on this topic, instead they completely lacked the philosophical and political skills to do something about this. Defunding the police without having an alternative was obviously a terrible idea and it wrecked havoc wherever it was implemented. I'm against BLM because they damaged and stole people's property for no reason, without condemning the actions of their violent members. Violence is not protesting.
- smabie 5y ago
  I mean it's pretty logical for a person to care more about themselves and their property than anything else.
  - TomSwirly 5y ago
    > themselves and their property No, these two things are actually not the same at all. I would fight to the death rather than be killed. But I'd give up my wallet and not worry about it. Human lives are more important than property. Human lives are more important than property. Why this is constantly up for debate baffles me.
- Graffur 5y ago
  Such a fail of a comment. A real ugly troll or a plain idiot
  - nvr219 5y ago
    total fail
tootahe45 5y ago
> I’m all for the message behind it > they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
  > Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message. Well, they tried, but FB kept removing relevant links…
- monoideism 5y ago
  > Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message. Well, they've gone underground with many of their goals due to public outcry. You'll have to use archive.org to see their true goals for our society. They've pulled most of them off their website.
  - gher-shyu3i 5y ago
    The cofounders already claimed their "trained Marxists", then removed it from their website.
- winstonchecksin 5y ago
  What research do I need to do? We paid to fix one of the vehicles out of pocket but had to file an insurance claim on the other, and our premiums went up because every window was smashed, including one of the mirrors. This is a bad faith response, and I’m going to assume you’re a troll and not engage any further. Good luck!
Trias11 5y ago
In Nevada you can legally protect yourself and your loved one inside occupied vehicle (or house) during attack with a deadly weapon. Which means make a colander out of worthless idiot.
- Fauntleroy 5y ago
  All the righteousness of "self defense" goes out the window when you start casually throwing around things like "make a colander out of worthless idiot". Self-defense is important, and I'm so sick and tired of seeing people only bring it up when their own internal bloodlust flares up.
  - Trias11 5y ago
    If you sick and tired, go talk to a doctor and take a rest. You either can protect yourself or not. Legal ability of citizens to protect themselves against worthless idiots is important part of keeping our streets and cities clean. I wish same right will be given to business owners. Then all these self-righteous corrupted criminal movements of "almost peaceful protesters" will cease to exist.
- driverdan 5y ago
  If you think killing someone over smashing a window is reasonable you need to seek help immediately. Please talk go a mental health professional.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    That is not what parent meant, but I think it is reasonable when you are in the car.
    - barbacoa 5y ago
      If you are in a car and are attack you have the same self defense rights as if you were at your house. Something similar happened at a BLM protest in texas with predictable results. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12239517/garrett-foster-black-lives-matter-protester-footage-austin/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12239517/garrett-foster-black-...
jokethrowaway 5y ago
Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter. Everyone is also fine with the peaceful protesting (I mean actual peaceful protesting, not CNN's meaning of peaceful, which already became a meme). Whoever seek to loot, destroy and coerce people into stupid acts needs to be condemned. BLM leaders didn't condemn the violence, which make the BLM movement just a bunch of terrorists, same as Antifa. It doesn't matter how cute or righteous the name of your organisation, actions speak louder.
- jeofken 5y ago
  > Nobody disagree with the message Many disagree with the message - it’s an explicitly Marxist organisation, and they want more “alternative families” which will obviously be single mothers with multiple baby daddies in the real world, rather than families of a man and woman living in monogamy raising the children who are the product of their love. Being raised without both the masculine and feminine creates inner incompleteness. The result of BLM is anti white and anti family, which means I am their enemy. Mises institute words it better than me https://mises.org/wire/why-marxist-organizations-blm-seek-dismantle-western-nuclear-family https://mises.org/wire/why-marxist-organizations-blm-seek-di...
  - brailsafe 5y ago
    Nice try Ben Shapiro.
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  > Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter You may be surprised, but quite a few people do disagree with what you've just said: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12136140/black-all-lives-matter https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12136140/black-all-lives-matte...
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    That's just a politicisation of the message to create further division among people who are not racist. Same thing as calling people nazi (so you can feel entitled to punch them). I think that philosophically most people agree that all lives matter and behave accordingly. Who doesn't is definitely a problem, albeit they're a minority.
TomSwirly 5y ago
> they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows Who are "they"? I'm serious in this question. Do you have the idea that these demonstrations are somehow carefully organized and that BLM upper management gave the instructions to break your windows specifically? It is not the case. The police kill some Black American in some particularly awful or gratuitous way. It enrages a lot of people, as you would expect. Many angry people take to the streets. They are not organized, for the most part. The vast majority are completely peaceful. Some of them aren't as is always the case. Some of them hold signs saying, "Black Lives Matter". Someone broke your window during these demonstrations. If I had to bet, it would be some young, angry person. Black Lives Matter did not make this happen, and if they didn't exist, people would still take to the streets when one of their own is murdered publicly by the authorities. --- There is no "they" there. I recommend a broader and more nuanced view of the situation.
- winstonchecksin 5y ago
  “They” is BLM. These people held BLM signs. And I never heard or saw any BLM leader come out and condemn these terrorists. You know it’s really interesting that you post these mental gymnastics to shift the blame away from the criminals, trying to tell me, the victim, that I’m in the wrong. Please go troll somewhere else.

nvr219 5y ago

Hi Winston, I want to know something: when cops murder somebody do you make a comment about it on hn or social media or anywhere, or do you only make comments when car windows get smashed?

weeweww32 5y ago
13% do 57%
- barbacoa 5y ago
  What do those numbers mean?
  - weeweww32 5y ago
    FBI crime statistics (13% of the population 57% of the violent crime) https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
    - bingbong70 5y ago
      And according to exoneration data, innocent African American suspects are: - 7 times more likely to be falsely convicted of murder than innocent white suspects. - 3.5 times more likely ... for sexual assaults. 7x & 3.5x are lowballs since I expect only a relatively small % can actually afford to prove their innocence. Conclusion: Good luck getting accurate crime stats from some of the most historically racist institutions in the USA. Exoneration Stats https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race...
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jokethrowaway 5y ago
I am completely against BLM and I am also completely against public police - and comment on both issues. I'm against public police because they do a terrible job (in a lot of ways, from racing to just being incompetent, to persecuting victimless crimes) and I wish we had private police. The only positive thing that could have come out of BLM was a discussion on this topic, instead they completely lacked the philosophical and political skills to do something about this. Defunding the police without having an alternative was obviously a terrible idea and it wrecked havoc wherever it was implemented. I'm against BLM because they damaged and stole people's property for no reason, without condemning the actions of their violent members. Violence is not protesting.
smabie 5y ago
I mean it's pretty logical for a person to care more about themselves and their property than anything else.
- TomSwirly 5y ago
  > themselves and their property No, these two things are actually not the same at all. I would fight to the death rather than be killed. But I'd give up my wallet and not worry about it. Human lives are more important than property. Human lives are more important than property. Why this is constantly up for debate baffles me.
Graffur 5y ago
Such a fail of a comment. A real ugly troll or a plain idiot
- nvr219 5y ago
  total fail

tootahe45 5y ago

> I’m all for the message behind it > they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
> Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message. Well, they tried, but FB kept removing relevant links…
monoideism 5y ago
> Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message. Well, they've gone underground with many of their goals due to public outcry. You'll have to use archive.org to see their true goals for our society. They've pulled most of them off their website.
- gher-shyu3i 5y ago
  The cofounders already claimed their "trained Marxists", then removed it from their website.
winstonchecksin 5y ago
What research do I need to do? We paid to fix one of the vehicles out of pocket but had to file an insurance claim on the other, and our premiums went up because every window was smashed, including one of the mirrors. This is a bad faith response, and I’m going to assume you’re a troll and not engage any further. Good luck!

Trias11 5y ago

In Nevada you can legally protect yourself and your loved one inside occupied vehicle (or house) during attack with a deadly weapon. Which means make a colander out of worthless idiot.

Fauntleroy 5y ago
All the righteousness of "self defense" goes out the window when you start casually throwing around things like "make a colander out of worthless idiot". Self-defense is important, and I'm so sick and tired of seeing people only bring it up when their own internal bloodlust flares up.
- Trias11 5y ago
  If you sick and tired, go talk to a doctor and take a rest. You either can protect yourself or not. Legal ability of citizens to protect themselves against worthless idiots is important part of keeping our streets and cities clean. I wish same right will be given to business owners. Then all these self-righteous corrupted criminal movements of "almost peaceful protesters" will cease to exist.
driverdan 5y ago
If you think killing someone over smashing a window is reasonable you need to seek help immediately. Please talk go a mental health professional.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  That is not what parent meant, but I think it is reasonable when you are in the car.
  - barbacoa 5y ago
    If you are in a car and are attack you have the same self defense rights as if you were at your house. Something similar happened at a BLM protest in texas with predictable results. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12239517/garrett-foster-black-lives-matter-protester-footage-austin/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12239517/garrett-foster-black-...

jokethrowaway 5y ago

Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter. Everyone is also fine with the peaceful protesting (I mean actual peaceful protesting, not CNN's meaning of peaceful, which already became a meme). Whoever seek to loot, destroy and coerce people into stupid acts needs to be condemned. BLM leaders didn't condemn the violence, which make the BLM movement just a bunch of terrorists, same as Antifa. It doesn't matter how cute or righteous the name of your organisation, actions speak louder.

jeofken 5y ago
> Nobody disagree with the message Many disagree with the message - it’s an explicitly Marxist organisation, and they want more “alternative families” which will obviously be single mothers with multiple baby daddies in the real world, rather than families of a man and woman living in monogamy raising the children who are the product of their love. Being raised without both the masculine and feminine creates inner incompleteness. The result of BLM is anti white and anti family, which means I am their enemy. Mises institute words it better than me https://mises.org/wire/why-marxist-organizations-blm-seek-dismantle-western-nuclear-family https://mises.org/wire/why-marxist-organizations-blm-seek-di...
- brailsafe 5y ago
  Nice try Ben Shapiro.
AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
> Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter You may be surprised, but quite a few people do disagree with what you've just said: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12136140/black-all-lives-matter https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12136140/black-all-lives-matte...
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  That's just a politicisation of the message to create further division among people who are not racist. Same thing as calling people nazi (so you can feel entitled to punch them). I think that philosophically most people agree that all lives matter and behave accordingly. Who doesn't is definitely a problem, albeit they're a minority.

TomSwirly 5y ago

> they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows Who are "they"? I'm serious in this question. Do you have the idea that these demonstrations are somehow carefully organized and that BLM upper management gave the instructions to break your windows specifically? It is not the case. The police kill some Black American in some particularly awful or gratuitous way. It enrages a lot of people, as you would expect. Many angry people take to the streets. They are not organized, for the most part. The vast majority are completely peaceful. Some of them aren't as is always the case. Some of them hold signs saying, "Black Lives Matter". Someone broke your window during these demonstrations. If I had to bet, it would be some young, angry person. Black Lives Matter did not make this happen, and if they didn't exist, people would still take to the streets when one of their own is murdered publicly by the authorities. --- There is no "they" there. I recommend a broader and more nuanced view of the situation.

winstonchecksin 5y ago
“They” is BLM. These people held BLM signs. And I never heard or saw any BLM leader come out and condemn these terrorists. You know it’s really interesting that you post these mental gymnastics to shift the blame away from the criminals, trying to tell me, the victim, that I’m in the wrong. Please go troll somewhere else.