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On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-bu

by pcf 5y ago

On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/ https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse... FB will also prevent you from posting the Newsweek article which describes how the platform is blocking the New York Post article. Same link as in the title: https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-prevents-sharing-new-york-post-story-black-lives-matter-founder-patrisse-cullors-real-1584050 https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-prevents-sharing-new-york-...

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Yes, but will they prevent you from posting a link to the HN discussion of the Newsweek article about them blocking the NY Post article? Is it possible that Facebook is a big enough share of the internet that they can block the Streisand Effect? My money is on "no".
- MikeUt 5y ago
  The Streisand effect only happens if you find out about the censorship. There's a million ways to reduce the reach of a story covertly.
  - nitrogen 5y ago
    As one example of how to slow a story: back when Wikileaks was first really trending, Facebook would sometimes just take a really long time to submit a post, or simply error out, if you tried to post a URL from Wikileaks.
- commandlinefan 5y ago
  > posting a link to the HN discussion Well... contentious stories get removed from here, too. This is a topic that gets contentious.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - Causality1 5y ago
    Oh yeah. Every time someone posts an article covering that GPT HN fiasco it gets flagged and removed almost immediately.
    - strombofulous 5y ago
      The what?
      - andrew_v4 5y ago
        I had to look it up too, I had forgotten about it as it was not very interesting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24164470 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24164470 Note that the link is to an article on HN, not flagged, and the comments pretty clearly debunk the article's claims. TLDR, author wrote some clickbait headlines and used gpt3 to fill in the articles, with an unspecified amount of editing, then some of them got onto the front page of HN and he wrote an article about that.
    - edoceo 5y ago
      what's that one about?
    - 1cvmask 5y ago
      Many stories get flagged on HN as well and I assume for different reasons. Here is one flagged from an hour ago: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-spread https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-s... I assumed it was worthy of discussion given the whole censorship debate and concepts of censorship like AI moderation or misinformation or disinformation.
  - cryptonector 5y ago
    This one is flagged, for example.
  - 5y ago
- jasonfarnon 5y ago
  Maybe the Streisand effect is imaginary. Ie you don't know how many stories are successfully suppressed. Just bc barbara streisand bungled concealing something, doesn't mean something as sophisticated as fb, decades later, is as inept. Of course I'd like to think the Streisand effect is real, but I don't think we have any data.
  - ISL 5y ago
    The Streisand effect does not apply if Streisand controls a town square.
- joshuakelly 5y ago
  > Is it possible that Facebook is a big enough share of the internet that they can block the Streisand Effect? My money is on "no". The co-ordinated efforts of a small number of corporate actors probably is. We live in a gov-valley-sov-corp media ecology with fairly sophisticated mechanisms of message control. Maybe the old netheads were wrong about streisand effect - maybe that was a temporary material condition.
reaperducer 5y ago
On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article... FB will also prevent you from posting the Newsweek article which describes how the platform is blocking the New York Post article." And amazingly, there are Facebook employees on HN all the time who can't understand why people hate Facebook. I recently spent time with a couple of relatives who only get news from Facebook. I suspect there are millions of other people who do the same. (Because it's free and if it's on the internet, it must be true!) This illustrates that they only know about the things that Facebook wants them to know.
- mbg721 5y ago
  But that isn't the reason for most of the Facebook hate, is it? I thought it was more "I just want my cousin's baby pictures, and you're spamming my feed with outrage porn." The people who actually want to use Facebook for news at all know the dumpster-fire they're going to get.
kebman 5y ago
This is completely outrageous. It's clearly illegal in my country per Norwegian Constitution §100, and I suspect it's illegal in quite a few other European countries too, wherever they have a working defence for freedom of speech, and not least presumably private conversations. (Because it's not so private anymore once third parties interfere in what you're allowed to share among grown ups.)

by pcf 5y ago

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

Yes, but will they prevent you from posting a link to the HN discussion of the Newsweek article about them blocking the NY Post article? Is it possible that Facebook is a big enough share of the internet that they can block the Streisand Effect? My money is on "no".

MikeUt 5y ago
The Streisand effect only happens if you find out about the censorship. There's a million ways to reduce the reach of a story covertly.
- nitrogen 5y ago
  As one example of how to slow a story: back when Wikileaks was first really trending, Facebook would sometimes just take a really long time to submit a post, or simply error out, if you tried to post a URL from Wikileaks.
commandlinefan 5y ago
> posting a link to the HN discussion Well... contentious stories get removed from here, too. This is a topic that gets contentious.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- Causality1 5y ago
  Oh yeah. Every time someone posts an article covering that GPT HN fiasco it gets flagged and removed almost immediately.
  - strombofulous 5y ago
    The what?
    - andrew_v4 5y ago
      I had to look it up too, I had forgotten about it as it was not very interesting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24164470 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24164470 Note that the link is to an article on HN, not flagged, and the comments pretty clearly debunk the article's claims. TLDR, author wrote some clickbait headlines and used gpt3 to fill in the articles, with an unspecified amount of editing, then some of them got onto the front page of HN and he wrote an article about that.
  - edoceo 5y ago
    what's that one about?
  - 1cvmask 5y ago
    Many stories get flagged on HN as well and I assume for different reasons. Here is one flagged from an hour ago: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-spread https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-s... I assumed it was worthy of discussion given the whole censorship debate and concepts of censorship like AI moderation or misinformation or disinformation.
- cryptonector 5y ago
  This one is flagged, for example.
- 5y ago
jasonfarnon 5y ago
Maybe the Streisand effect is imaginary. Ie you don't know how many stories are successfully suppressed. Just bc barbara streisand bungled concealing something, doesn't mean something as sophisticated as fb, decades later, is as inept. Of course I'd like to think the Streisand effect is real, but I don't think we have any data.
- ISL 5y ago
  The Streisand effect does not apply if Streisand controls a town square.
joshuakelly 5y ago
> Is it possible that Facebook is a big enough share of the internet that they can block the Streisand Effect? My money is on "no". The co-ordinated efforts of a small number of corporate actors probably is. We live in a gov-valley-sov-corp media ecology with fairly sophisticated mechanisms of message control. Maybe the old netheads were wrong about streisand effect - maybe that was a temporary material condition.

reaperducer 5y ago

On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article... FB will also prevent you from posting the Newsweek article which describes how the platform is blocking the New York Post article." And amazingly, there are Facebook employees on HN all the time who can't understand why people hate Facebook. I recently spent time with a couple of relatives who only get news from Facebook. I suspect there are millions of other people who do the same. (Because it's free and if it's on the internet, it must be true!) This illustrates that they only know about the things that Facebook wants them to know.

mbg721 5y ago
But that isn't the reason for most of the Facebook hate, is it? I thought it was more "I just want my cousin's baby pictures, and you're spamming my feed with outrage porn." The people who actually want to use Facebook for news at all know the dumpster-fire they're going to get.

kebman 5y ago

This is completely outrageous. It's clearly illegal in my country per Norwegian Constitution §100, and I suspect it's illegal in quite a few other European countries too, wherever they have a working defence for freedom of speech, and not least presumably private conversations. (Because it's not so private anymore once third parties interfere in what you're allowed to share among grown ups.)