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Citation needed? Never heard or noticed any bias like this before.

chronic83027 6y ago
Look at university research labs, and see where they get their funding from. Companies tend to fund applied research. Funding in Europe, whether academic or industry motivated, is simply lacking across all scientific, engineering, and social science disciplines.
- SeanLuke 6y ago
  You seriously think that university research in the US is largely funded or driven by companies? This is utterly wrong. *Edit*. The question is why the united states has the "best research universities". That is a very general-level question and the Parent made a very general, and very wrong, claim in response. Regardless of whether some specific fields might have more industrial funding than others, it's easy to google the overall portion: and industry funding is quite minor. https://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/UniSource1.jpg https://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/UniSource1....
  - ubercore 6y ago
    Depending on the field, it can be. Lots of University-affiliated labs in the medical field get significant industry funding.
  - iancmceachern 6y ago
    This seems on topic: https://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/newsroom/newsn/10721/the-color-of-money-funding-sources-for-university-research-influence-commercial-legacy https://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/newsroom/newsn/10721/the-color...
  - DiggyJohnson 6y ago
    > is largely funded or driven by companies GP never implied it was the largest contributor, and yes, depending on your field a significant amount of funding does come from the private sector.
  - chronic83027 6y ago
    > You seriously think that university research in the US is largely funded or driven by companies? This is utterly wrong. Slow down there bud. Where did I say that? Unless you’re talking about AI/ML, then yes, university labs receive more from companies, than government funding agencies.
    - SeanLuke 6y ago
      > Slow down there bud. Where did I say that? If I miserepresented you, then I am sorry. > Unless you’re talking about AI/ML, then yes, university labs receive more from companies, than government funding agencies. This is simply untrue. Companies comprise less than 10% of overall university research funding, and AI/ML is far from dominant. It's easy to verify this.
booleandilemma 6y ago
Have you heard of Bell Labs?
- ur-whale 6y ago
  > Have you heard of Bell Labs? While I would tend to agree that private funding for research is way better in the US, Bell Labs is not necessarily a good example. True, the tech. output of the outfit was amazing, but they had massive govt support (among other things, they were given an official monopoly by the USG).
  - gumby 6y ago
    It wasn't just the monopoly itself but their revenue and profit structure was driven by the research (cap ex and op ex were treated differently by the consent decree, and they had performance metrics to meet as demand grew). Research also had valuable P.R. value.

Look at university research labs, and see where they get their funding from. Companies tend to fund applied research. Funding in Europe, whether academic or industry motivated, is simply lacking across all scientific, engineering, and social science disciplines.

SeanLuke 6y ago
You seriously think that university research in the US is largely funded or driven by companies? This is utterly wrong. *Edit*. The question is why the united states has the "best research universities". That is a very general-level question and the Parent made a very general, and very wrong, claim in response. Regardless of whether some specific fields might have more industrial funding than others, it's easy to google the overall portion: and industry funding is quite minor. https://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/UniSource1.jpg https://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/UniSource1....
- ubercore 6y ago
  Depending on the field, it can be. Lots of University-affiliated labs in the medical field get significant industry funding.
- iancmceachern 6y ago
  This seems on topic: https://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/newsroom/newsn/10721/the-color-of-money-funding-sources-for-university-research-influence-commercial-legacy https://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/newsroom/newsn/10721/the-color...
- DiggyJohnson 6y ago
  > is largely funded or driven by companies GP never implied it was the largest contributor, and yes, depending on your field a significant amount of funding does come from the private sector.
- chronic83027 6y ago
  > You seriously think that university research in the US is largely funded or driven by companies? This is utterly wrong. Slow down there bud. Where did I say that? Unless you’re talking about AI/ML, then yes, university labs receive more from companies, than government funding agencies.
  - SeanLuke 6y ago
    > Slow down there bud. Where did I say that? If I miserepresented you, then I am sorry. > Unless you’re talking about AI/ML, then yes, university labs receive more from companies, than government funding agencies. This is simply untrue. Companies comprise less than 10% of overall university research funding, and AI/ML is far from dominant. It's easy to verify this.

booleandilemma 6y ago

Have you heard of Bell Labs?

ur-whale 6y ago
> Have you heard of Bell Labs? While I would tend to agree that private funding for research is way better in the US, Bell Labs is not necessarily a good example. True, the tech. output of the outfit was amazing, but they had massive govt support (among other things, they were given an official monopoly by the USG).
- gumby 6y ago
  It wasn't just the monopoly itself but their revenue and profit structure was driven by the research (cap ex and op ex were treated differently by the consent decree, and they had performance metrics to meet as demand grew). Research also had valuable P.R. value.