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Eclipse Indigo is here

70 points by Garbage 15y ago

wccrawford 15y ago
Does anyone know if it'll work with Android's stuff, or if we need to wait for Google to release an update?
- tom9729 15y ago
  I'm new to Android development but I've been using Indigo for about a week and haven't run into any issues aside from the emulator being SLOW (admittedly not the fault of Eclipse :-). Might as well give it a try, it's easy enough to revert back to a previous version if necessary..
  - ryanhuff 15y ago
    If you have an Android device, its much easier to use the device instead of the simulator. Just connect your phone to your computer via usb and enable debugging on the phone. You can still trace through your code in Eclipse as if you were running through the simulator.
- shareme 15y ago
  you should not have to.. also CDT-ADT integration was moved from Eclipse Sequoyah to Eclipse CDT
adelevie 15y ago
I'm new to Eclipse as I just started learning Android development a few weeks ago. Is there anything in Indigo that improves Android development? From http://www.eclipse.org/indigo/ http://www.eclipse.org/indigo/, the only thing that struck me was EGit.
- beck5 15y ago
  Be careful with EGit its still beta really IMO.
  - ecaron 15y ago
    Agreed, EGit is not ready for public consumption. Sticking with Tortoise or command line is the only way to make sure you don't end up doing serious damage to your repos. Their biggest problem is their treatment of previous changes and parents. It fubars the system by repeatedly introduce previous additions or deletions from your codebase.
    - jpitz 15y ago
      I mainly look to egit to help me stage refactorings correctly as move + edit operations in the index. Should I be worried about that?
      - theBobMcCormick 15y ago
        Have you looked at using "git gui" instead? It seems to be a more stable, reliable, and supported tool than egit. It lacks direct Eclipse integration of course, but in practice I've never found that to be a problem.
        jpitz 15y ago
        how does that address eclipse refactorings?
        theBobMcCormick 15y ago
        Maybe I was misunderstanding, but I assumed the parent comment was wanting to be able to easily select individual changes from his re-factoring for committing. Git GUI is great for that. I'm not aware of any additional "refactoring" related functionality that eGit offers above and beyond that.
    - shareme 15y ago
      not had a problem with EGIT once..
  - adelevie 15y ago
- terrapinbear 15y ago
  You might give Motodev from Motorola a try. It's basically a Motorola modified Eclipse for smartphone development. I like the snippets window and the project wizards. Free too.
rushabh 15y ago
Yawn
rch 15y ago
There is so much about Eclipse that I don't like, but there are still some interesting and useful tools that keep me on-board. ATL and Xtext have a lot of potential, for instance. Not to mention externally developed projects like Bioclipse and Knime. It is probably time for a serious fork to illustrate how nice the core platform could be.
- calebmpeterson 15y ago
  My day job is writing Eclipse RCP based thick clients. The platform is very nice indeed! JVM (Java in my case :/) + native widgets (fast) + built in update mechanism + robust module system (OSGi) Love or hate Eclipse the IDE, Eclipse the Rich Client Platform is really solid framework for thick clients.
chuchurocka 15y ago
this better be better than the upgrade to Helios.
run4yourlives 15y ago
Wow, that design looks very, very close to the old Indigo books (they bought Chapter's in Canada) logo. Same colours, font, even the use of the exclamation point. I wonder if there was any influence or if it is just coincidence. Unfortunately, a bookstore was the first thing I thought of.
- mrcharles 15y ago
  Link: http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/home/ http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/home/ Only a small logo on top right but this was my first thought as well. Not quite the same font but same proportions.
  - run4yourlives 15y ago
    Do a google image search for indigo books and you get some better results.
numbsafari 15y ago
Yeah. I'm sticking with vim.
mikemaccana 15y ago
What's the UI latency like? On OS X, Windows and Linux, with every version of Eclipse I've ever tried, I can measure the response time between right clicking on a project and a context menu appearing.
- grhino 15y ago
  It does a lot of initialization while populating the context menu for the first time. It really gives the wrong first impression on UI latency.
- chuchurocka 15y ago
  I've been using it since this morning, and for once it actually seems snappy. I never thought I'd say that about eclipse.
- starwed 15y ago
  Weird, with Helios, I see no lag at all for me an a MacBook Air. Not that I'm saying Eclipse has a super-responsive UI. :)
  - dekz 15y ago
    MacBook Air with an SSD?
    - aaronbrethorst 15y ago
      I don't think they come any other way.
      - paxswill 15y ago
        The first generation came standard with a very slow spinning hard disk.
    - starwed 15y ago
      Yup. I guess I didn't think about opening a context menu being IO bound...
cot6mur3 15y ago
Sadly, Eclipse Indigo is only downloadable by 'Friends of Eclipse' at present.
- hkolk 15y ago
  I just started my download of OS-X. Either it is an old message, or the packages distributed faster then expected (see the note under that page)
mrspandex 15y ago
Perhaps Eclipse developers should take this opportunity to try IntelliJ if you haven't. I switched 2 years ago and I can never go back. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/
- lylejohnson 15y ago
  I never could understand why people paid for IntelliJ licenses when Eclipse was available for free; and then I finally tried IntelliJ on my last project. Long story short, I'm now an IntelliJ user. The strong Maven support was a strong selling point, but really it's that strong built-in support you get for all of the libraries, frameworks and tools in the Java ecosystem.
guelo 15y ago
What's New info on the web for this release seems to be extremely well hidden. You can find it in the web based Help: Workbench: http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclipse.platform.doc.user%2FwhatsNew%2Fplatform_whatsnew.html http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclips... JDT: http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclipse.platform.doc.user%2FwhatsNew%2Fplatform_whatsnew.html http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclips... EGit: http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/topic/org.eclipse.egit.doc/help/EGit/New_and_Noteworthy/1.0.0/1.0.0.html http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/topic/org.eclipse.egit.doc/he...
- alatkins 15y ago
  There's also the press release: http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20110622indigo.php http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20110622indigo.php

70 points by Garbage 15y ago

wccrawford 15y ago

Does anyone know if it'll work with Android's stuff, or if we need to wait for Google to release an update?

tom9729 15y ago
I'm new to Android development but I've been using Indigo for about a week and haven't run into any issues aside from the emulator being SLOW (admittedly not the fault of Eclipse :-). Might as well give it a try, it's easy enough to revert back to a previous version if necessary..
- ryanhuff 15y ago
  If you have an Android device, its much easier to use the device instead of the simulator. Just connect your phone to your computer via usb and enable debugging on the phone. You can still trace through your code in Eclipse as if you were running through the simulator.
shareme 15y ago
you should not have to.. also CDT-ADT integration was moved from Eclipse Sequoyah to Eclipse CDT

adelevie 15y ago

I'm new to Eclipse as I just started learning Android development a few weeks ago. Is there anything in Indigo that improves Android development? From http://www.eclipse.org/indigo/ http://www.eclipse.org/indigo/, the only thing that struck me was EGit.

beck5 15y ago
Be careful with EGit its still beta really IMO.
- ecaron 15y ago
  Agreed, EGit is not ready for public consumption. Sticking with Tortoise or command line is the only way to make sure you don't end up doing serious damage to your repos. Their biggest problem is their treatment of previous changes and parents. It fubars the system by repeatedly introduce previous additions or deletions from your codebase.
  - jpitz 15y ago
    I mainly look to egit to help me stage refactorings correctly as move + edit operations in the index. Should I be worried about that?
    - theBobMcCormick 15y ago
      Have you looked at using "git gui" instead? It seems to be a more stable, reliable, and supported tool than egit. It lacks direct Eclipse integration of course, but in practice I've never found that to be a problem.
      - jpitz 15y ago
        how does that address eclipse refactorings?
        theBobMcCormick 15y ago
        Maybe I was misunderstanding, but I assumed the parent comment was wanting to be able to easily select individual changes from his re-factoring for committing. Git GUI is great for that. I'm not aware of any additional "refactoring" related functionality that eGit offers above and beyond that.
  - shareme 15y ago
    not had a problem with EGIT once..
- adelevie 15y ago
terrapinbear 15y ago
You might give Motodev from Motorola a try. It's basically a Motorola modified Eclipse for smartphone development. I like the snippets window and the project wizards. Free too.

rushabh 15y ago

Yawn

rch 15y ago

There is so much about Eclipse that I don't like, but there are still some interesting and useful tools that keep me on-board. ATL and Xtext have a lot of potential, for instance. Not to mention externally developed projects like Bioclipse and Knime. It is probably time for a serious fork to illustrate how nice the core platform could be.

calebmpeterson 15y ago
My day job is writing Eclipse RCP based thick clients. The platform is very nice indeed! JVM (Java in my case :/) + native widgets (fast) + built in update mechanism + robust module system (OSGi) Love or hate Eclipse the IDE, Eclipse the Rich Client Platform is really solid framework for thick clients.

chuchurocka 15y ago

this better be better than the upgrade to Helios.

run4yourlives 15y ago

Wow, that design looks very, very close to the old Indigo books (they bought Chapter's in Canada) logo. Same colours, font, even the use of the exclamation point. I wonder if there was any influence or if it is just coincidence. Unfortunately, a bookstore was the first thing I thought of.

mrcharles 15y ago
Link: http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/home/ http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/home/ Only a small logo on top right but this was my first thought as well. Not quite the same font but same proportions.
- run4yourlives 15y ago
  Do a google image search for indigo books and you get some better results.

numbsafari 15y ago

Yeah. I'm sticking with vim.

mikemaccana 15y ago

What's the UI latency like? On OS X, Windows and Linux, with every version of Eclipse I've ever tried, I can measure the response time between right clicking on a project and a context menu appearing.

grhino 15y ago
It does a lot of initialization while populating the context menu for the first time. It really gives the wrong first impression on UI latency.
chuchurocka 15y ago
I've been using it since this morning, and for once it actually seems snappy. I never thought I'd say that about eclipse.
starwed 15y ago
Weird, with Helios, I see no lag at all for me an a MacBook Air. Not that I'm saying Eclipse has a super-responsive UI. :)
- dekz 15y ago
  MacBook Air with an SSD?
  - aaronbrethorst 15y ago
    I don't think they come any other way.
    - paxswill 15y ago
      The first generation came standard with a very slow spinning hard disk.
  - starwed 15y ago
    Yup. I guess I didn't think about opening a context menu being IO bound...

cot6mur3 15y ago

Sadly, Eclipse Indigo is only downloadable by 'Friends of Eclipse' at present.

hkolk 15y ago
I just started my download of OS-X. Either it is an old message, or the packages distributed faster then expected (see the note under that page)

mrspandex 15y ago

Perhaps Eclipse developers should take this opportunity to try IntelliJ if you haven't. I switched 2 years ago and I can never go back. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

lylejohnson 15y ago
I never could understand why people paid for IntelliJ licenses when Eclipse was available for free; and then I finally tried IntelliJ on my last project. Long story short, I'm now an IntelliJ user. The strong Maven support was a strong selling point, but really it's that strong built-in support you get for all of the libraries, frameworks and tools in the Java ecosystem.

guelo 15y ago

What's New info on the web for this release seems to be extremely well hidden. You can find it in the web based Help: Workbench: http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclipse.platform.doc.user%2FwhatsNew%2Fplatform_whatsnew.html http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclips... JDT: http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclipse.platform.doc.user%2FwhatsNew%2Fplatform_whatsnew.html http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclips... EGit: http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/topic/org.eclipse.egit.doc/help/EGit/New_and_Noteworthy/1.0.0/1.0.0.html http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/topic/org.eclipse.egit.doc/he...

alatkins 15y ago
There's also the press release: http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20110622indigo.php http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20110622indigo.php