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Society is made of individuals. Leave the decision to an individual and the equilibrium of right will be reached quicker. We don't need one huge entity to tell

Society is made of individuals. Leave the decision to an individual and the equilibrium of right will be reached quicker. We don't need one huge entity to tell us what's wrong or right. We don't need governments to babysit us. Let's use an example. Let's say now the norm becomes to allow kids to drink alcohol and smoke weed. Would you allow your kids to do it? Same principles, in my opinion, stand with Instagram or any other tool / toy / gadget.

vletal 6y ago
You sure that your "we do not need governments to babysit us" ideology goes well with the rest of the tread you seemingly agree with?
evanlivingston 6y ago
You seen the pollution people create left to their own free will?
kube-system 6y ago
A lot of parents do give some leeway in letting their kids get away with those things in order to let them fit in. Mostly, the reason kids don't do those things more is exactly because we had the government ban those things for kids. But, alas, Instagram is not a regulated drug, and I see little reason why most parents' reactions wouldn't be more similar to those they have for video games or watching movies than it would be to the use of an illegal drug. A more apt comparison might be a parent who doesn't let their kid go to the movies or play video games with their friends.
- whitepaint 6y ago
  > Mostly, the reason kids don't do those things more is exactly because we had the government ban those things for kids. I completely disagree. We don't allow those things because we know kids shouldn't be doing it. If there were no drinking age laws kids would still not be drinking and smoking weed because parents wouldn't allow it. That was kinda my point. (let's not talk about the outliers, obviously some kids smoke and drink)
  - kube-system 6y ago
    I'm not sure that underage drinking is an outlier, at least here in the US. In fact, the majority of college students in the US violate drinking age laws. https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/college-drinking https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh... > If there were no drinking age laws kids would still not be drinking and smoking weed because parents wouldn't allow it. In places with more relaxed drinking laws, we do often see more kids drinking. 42% of 15 year old boys were weekly drinkers in the UK in 2002. https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/382840/WH15-alcohol-report-eng.pdf https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/382840/... > Most young people begin using alcohol between the ages of 12 and 16, an age at which they gain increasing independence and spend more time outside the home unsupervised. At the same time, the direct influence of parents diminishes and friends become increasingly important.
elliekelly 6y ago
It's not that easy or simple. Not by a long shot. You might find Eleanor Ostrom's 1990 "Governing the Commons"[1] interesting - it details exactly how individuals can work together to reach "equilibrium" and it doesn't involve governments or selfish (in the economics sense) individuals. She won a Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics for the book and her subsequent related work. The title of course is a play on the title of the classic "Tragedy of the Commons" article advocating for privatization over centralized government oversight. I won't spoil the book but she addresses the "privatize the commons" approach as well. Her conclusions might surprise you. [1]https://archive.org/details/governingthecommons https://archive.org/details/governingthecommons

vletal 6y ago

You sure that your "we do not need governments to babysit us" ideology goes well with the rest of the tread you seemingly agree with?

evanlivingston 6y ago

You seen the pollution people create left to their own free will?

kube-system 6y ago

A lot of parents do give some leeway in letting their kids get away with those things in order to let them fit in. Mostly, the reason kids don't do those things more is exactly because we had the government ban those things for kids. But, alas, Instagram is not a regulated drug, and I see little reason why most parents' reactions wouldn't be more similar to those they have for video games or watching movies than it would be to the use of an illegal drug. A more apt comparison might be a parent who doesn't let their kid go to the movies or play video games with their friends.

whitepaint 6y ago
> Mostly, the reason kids don't do those things more is exactly because we had the government ban those things for kids. I completely disagree. We don't allow those things because we know kids shouldn't be doing it. If there were no drinking age laws kids would still not be drinking and smoking weed because parents wouldn't allow it. That was kinda my point. (let's not talk about the outliers, obviously some kids smoke and drink)
- kube-system 6y ago
  I'm not sure that underage drinking is an outlier, at least here in the US. In fact, the majority of college students in the US violate drinking age laws. https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/college-drinking https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh... > If there were no drinking age laws kids would still not be drinking and smoking weed because parents wouldn't allow it. In places with more relaxed drinking laws, we do often see more kids drinking. 42% of 15 year old boys were weekly drinkers in the UK in 2002. https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/382840/WH15-alcohol-report-eng.pdf https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/382840/... > Most young people begin using alcohol between the ages of 12 and 16, an age at which they gain increasing independence and spend more time outside the home unsupervised. At the same time, the direct influence of parents diminishes and friends become increasingly important.

elliekelly 6y ago

It's not that easy or simple. Not by a long shot. You might find Eleanor Ostrom's 1990 "Governing the Commons"[1] interesting - it details exactly how individuals can work together to reach "equilibrium" and it doesn't involve governments or selfish (in the economics sense) individuals. She won a Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics for the book and her subsequent related work. The title of course is a play on the title of the classic "Tragedy of the Commons" article advocating for privatization over centralized government oversight. I won't spoil the book but she addresses the "privatize the commons" approach as well. Her conclusions might surprise you. [1]https://archive.org/details/governingthecommons https://archive.org/details/governingthecommons