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FOMO? Potential social isolation? I have just a 2yo and a t-6m so I do not have to worry about these things. Yet the way you handle it sounds a bit too strict.

by vletal 5y ago

FOMO? Potential social isolation? I have just a 2yo and a t-6m so I do not have to worry about these things. Yet the way you handle it sounds a bit too strict. You sure that maybe strict limits on screen time and YouTube together with speaking about what they consume would not teach them more?

whitepaint 5y ago
Everyone's insane so I must be as well. Come on man. I totally agree with the OP, take personal responsibility. You raise your children not Zuck. Louis CK had great comments about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbYScltf1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbYScltf1c
- vletal 5y ago
  I was actually asking an honest question. I do not think I'm giving up on my responsibilities. It's just that does serving as a proxy to YouTube really help better than some reasonable weekly limit?
- philistine 5y ago
  I would refrain from using Louis CK as any sort of a moral compass. For obvious reasons.
  - po1nter 5y ago
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
  - Karsteski 5y ago
    So should a person's mistakes be held against them for the rest of their life? Especially given what he did, which seemed very mild compared to the reaction.
    - foobiter 5y ago
      you think serially ejaculating in front of people without consent is mild? are you serious?
    - boringg 5y ago
      I think OPs comment is accurate. He does lose his ability to be used as a moral compass. He might still be funny and have interesting insights but he is not a moral compass.
      - Karsteski 5y ago
        Hmm I heavily disagree. I think that just because someone did something fucked up in the past doesn't mean they can no longer be trusted or their moral compass/judgement is somehow permanently broken. Perhaps this is the case for me because what he did wasn't really messed up from what I know about the story, just weird. I will concede that in some situations, and from my perspective these would almost entire involve sexual assault, I'd consider a person unredeemable.
        boringg 5y ago
        In a situation where someone has indeed done some fucked up stuff - they need to prove that their moral compass has been fixed in order for them to be trusted again. I don't think you get a pass because you've been quiet for a couple years. So I disagree with you. You should probably go read up on what he did - pretty messed up power dynamics. (https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-louis-ck-victims.html https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-lou...)
        Karsteski 5y ago
        Sigh, idk how far I want to go with this but I'll ask this: How is this an abuse of power dynamics? To me, if someone asked me "Can I masturbate in front of you?", them being the CEO of my company wouldn't pressure me to comply because I'd be afraid of what people said, or what have you. Even this article just brushes past the fact that he did ask. Now, I do think what he did was weird and creepy, but I try not to judge people too much on what they get off to. Lastly, this article just seems written to be purposely inflammatory and is missing quite a lot of context... "C.K. didn’t just subject these women to sexual harassment and the personal struggles that come with that, he subjected them to threats from strangers, to alienation from their colleagues and peers, to lost professional opportunities. " Really? He purposely subjected them to threats and alienation? If anything, the colleagues and peers are pieces of shit, which has nothing to do with Louis C.K.
  - whitepaint 5y ago
    He's arguably the greatest comedian of all time. I think there's definitely a thing or two to extract from his wisdom.
    - w0de0 5y ago
      A middling slice of life observational/philosophical standup act who burned out in a conflagration of masturbatory inability to control the self is not a particularly compelling argument for greatest comedian of all time. At least Diogenes embraced it, for example.
  - tryonenow 5y ago
    The fact that someone acted immorally in one way does not imply that they are incapable of giving any moral advice. By your logic no human being can be trusted as a "moral compass". Just another problem with modern cancel culture - consistently throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
- kube-system 5y ago
  An individual's personal responsibility only goes so far to shape the social norms that your kid will be exposed to. If the thing you don't want your kid doing becomes a norm, then abstaining may come with additional consequences of sizable consequence.
  - whitepaint 5y ago
    Society is made of individuals. Leave the decision to an individual and the equilibrium of right will be reached quicker. We don't need one huge entity to tell us what's wrong or right. We don't need governments to babysit us. Let's use an example. Let's say now the norm becomes to allow kids to drink alcohol and smoke weed. Would you allow your kids to do it? Same principles, in my opinion, stand with Instagram or any other tool / toy / gadget.
    - vletal 5y ago
      You sure that your "we do not need governments to babysit us" ideology goes well with the rest of the tread you seemingly agree with?
    - evanlivingston 5y ago
      You seen the pollution people create left to their own free will?
    - kube-system 5y ago
      A lot of parents do give some leeway in letting their kids get away with those things in order to let them fit in. Mostly, the reason kids don't do those things more is exactly because we had the government ban those things for kids. But, alas, Instagram is not a regulated drug, and I see little reason why most parents' reactions wouldn't be more similar to those they have for video games or watching movies than it would be to the use of an illegal drug. A more apt comparison might be a parent who doesn't let their kid go to the movies or play video games with their friends.
      - whitepaint 5y ago
- throwawaymrmr 5y ago
  As somebody who was raised similarly to the OP's "sane" way, I would certainly prefer being "insane" to the social isolation I ended up in. Of course, there were countless other factors that made me who I am, but this is still something to consider.

by vletal 5y ago

whitepaint 5y ago

Everyone's insane so I must be as well. Come on man. I totally agree with the OP, take personal responsibility. You raise your children not Zuck. Louis CK had great comments about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbYScltf1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbYScltf1c

vletal 5y ago
I was actually asking an honest question. I do not think I'm giving up on my responsibilities. It's just that does serving as a proxy to YouTube really help better than some reasonable weekly limit?
philistine 5y ago
I would refrain from using Louis CK as any sort of a moral compass. For obvious reasons.
- po1nter 5y ago
  Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
- Karsteski 5y ago
  So should a person's mistakes be held against them for the rest of their life? Especially given what he did, which seemed very mild compared to the reaction.
  - foobiter 5y ago
    you think serially ejaculating in front of people without consent is mild? are you serious?
  - boringg 5y ago
    I think OPs comment is accurate. He does lose his ability to be used as a moral compass. He might still be funny and have interesting insights but he is not a moral compass.
    - Karsteski 5y ago
      Hmm I heavily disagree. I think that just because someone did something fucked up in the past doesn't mean they can no longer be trusted or their moral compass/judgement is somehow permanently broken. Perhaps this is the case for me because what he did wasn't really messed up from what I know about the story, just weird. I will concede that in some situations, and from my perspective these would almost entire involve sexual assault, I'd consider a person unredeemable.
      - boringg 5y ago
        In a situation where someone has indeed done some fucked up stuff - they need to prove that their moral compass has been fixed in order for them to be trusted again. I don't think you get a pass because you've been quiet for a couple years. So I disagree with you. You should probably go read up on what he did - pretty messed up power dynamics. (https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-louis-ck-victims.html https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-lou...)
        Karsteski 5y ago
        Sigh, idk how far I want to go with this but I'll ask this: How is this an abuse of power dynamics? To me, if someone asked me "Can I masturbate in front of you?", them being the CEO of my company wouldn't pressure me to comply because I'd be afraid of what people said, or what have you. Even this article just brushes past the fact that he did ask. Now, I do think what he did was weird and creepy, but I try not to judge people too much on what they get off to. Lastly, this article just seems written to be purposely inflammatory and is missing quite a lot of context... "C.K. didn’t just subject these women to sexual harassment and the personal struggles that come with that, he subjected them to threats from strangers, to alienation from their colleagues and peers, to lost professional opportunities. " Really? He purposely subjected them to threats and alienation? If anything, the colleagues and peers are pieces of shit, which has nothing to do with Louis C.K.
- whitepaint 5y ago
  He's arguably the greatest comedian of all time. I think there's definitely a thing or two to extract from his wisdom.
  - w0de0 5y ago
    A middling slice of life observational/philosophical standup act who burned out in a conflagration of masturbatory inability to control the self is not a particularly compelling argument for greatest comedian of all time. At least Diogenes embraced it, for example.
- tryonenow 5y ago
  The fact that someone acted immorally in one way does not imply that they are incapable of giving any moral advice. By your logic no human being can be trusted as a "moral compass". Just another problem with modern cancel culture - consistently throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
kube-system 5y ago
An individual's personal responsibility only goes so far to shape the social norms that your kid will be exposed to. If the thing you don't want your kid doing becomes a norm, then abstaining may come with additional consequences of sizable consequence.
- whitepaint 5y ago
  Society is made of individuals. Leave the decision to an individual and the equilibrium of right will be reached quicker. We don't need one huge entity to tell us what's wrong or right. We don't need governments to babysit us. Let's use an example. Let's say now the norm becomes to allow kids to drink alcohol and smoke weed. Would you allow your kids to do it? Same principles, in my opinion, stand with Instagram or any other tool / toy / gadget.
  - vletal 5y ago
    You sure that your "we do not need governments to babysit us" ideology goes well with the rest of the tread you seemingly agree with?
  - evanlivingston 5y ago
    You seen the pollution people create left to their own free will?
  - kube-system 5y ago
    A lot of parents do give some leeway in letting their kids get away with those things in order to let them fit in. Mostly, the reason kids don't do those things more is exactly because we had the government ban those things for kids. But, alas, Instagram is not a regulated drug, and I see little reason why most parents' reactions wouldn't be more similar to those they have for video games or watching movies than it would be to the use of an illegal drug. A more apt comparison might be a parent who doesn't let their kid go to the movies or play video games with their friends.
    - whitepaint 5y ago
throwawaymrmr 5y ago
As somebody who was raised similarly to the OP's "sane" way, I would certainly prefer being "insane" to the social isolation I ended up in. Of course, there were countless other factors that made me who I am, but this is still something to consider.