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Oh, there are tons of hackerspaces in Sweden. Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. I guess you were simply not i

by zibzab 6y ago

Oh, there are tons of hackerspaces in Sweden. Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. I guess you were simply not in contact with the right people.

tazjin 6y ago
You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.
- 271828182846 6y ago
  CCC isn't a hacker space as I understand the term. CCC is a club of security experts. hacker spaces are communal spaces where you can tinker with peers using provided tools.
  - jan_Inkepa 6y ago
    In Germany the CCC has a lot of physical clubs where people hang out. They have some specialised equipment, but are from my limited experience more social spaces for cohacking, giving talks, etc. There's also the chaos communication congress, with is a big hacker festival/conference (by the same group of people), run by I think the same org, and I've never fully understood how one navigates the identical acronyms...
    - pvorb 6y ago
      Typically, the Chaos Communication Congress is referred to by its number and the abbreviation C3. So it's 36C3 for the last regular installment.
  - pantalaimon 6y ago
    Chaos Computer Club also means there are actual physical club rooms where members can meet.
  - shezi 6y ago
    The CCC is both. It's a club of computer- and technology-interested d people. Most cities have some rented space that doubles as a hacker and tinker space. It really depends on the members in each city what the specific location looks like. That there is also a branch of very public security experts is... Incidental, I'd say.
  - step21 6y ago
    Neither is right. CCC also has security experts as members, which sometimes comment publicly. In general however, it is the parent organization for local hacker spaces (though it is possible to be member on only local or only CCC level). And many local spaces are also called ccc-xy. Wnd their interests.
  - catdog 6y ago
    > CCC is a club of security experts No. It happens that a lot of members are security experts but it is far far broader than that. The CCC is a very decentralized organization. A lot of hacker spaces are in fact operated by local subdivisions or are completely independent organizations but with a lot of overlap in membership. In general the CCC likes define itself more by those who share its values and less by the legal entity with that name.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  Maybe this is a naive question since I’ve never been involved in a hacker/computer club but why is a dedicated space required? Does the club usually purchase hardware/equipment that needs to be stored? I suppose I always assumed the members brought their own equipment to meetings. You know, the more I think about it, I’m not really sure I have any idea what a computer club actually is and does...
  - pantalaimon 6y ago
    It's a space to hang out and meet people, where you can talk about and tinker with technology. Only socializing online is just not the same.
  - motge 6y ago
    It's a good question and not easy to answer in general as there a lot of different types of hackerspaces. Some hackerspaces are more a kind of makerspace and provide expensive, large or complicated hardware like industrial laser cutters, 3D printers, embroidery machines and (electronics) workshops with soldering irons, electronic parts etc. Other hackerspaces are focusing more on the social side and offer a space to hang out, meet and discuss with beverages (I guess mostly mate and beer). There can be talks, workshops or competitions (like CTFs) and so on. Also providing services to the public, like repair cafes and holiday programs for kids can be a way to further engage in society to share technical knowledge. hackerspaces.org has also extensive explanations on theory of hackerspaces: https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Theory https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Theory
teddyh 6y ago
> Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. …or lacking members. He wrote, glancing around the empty room
- ValentineC 6y ago
  Because of COVID?
  - teddyh 6y ago
    Currently, I suppose, but no; it’s been “active” since about 2010.

by zibzab 6y ago

Oh, there are tons of hackerspaces in Sweden. Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. I guess you were simply not in contact with the right people.

tazjin 6y ago

You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.

271828182846 6y ago
CCC isn't a hacker space as I understand the term. CCC is a club of security experts. hacker spaces are communal spaces where you can tinker with peers using provided tools.
- jan_Inkepa 6y ago
  In Germany the CCC has a lot of physical clubs where people hang out. They have some specialised equipment, but are from my limited experience more social spaces for cohacking, giving talks, etc. There's also the chaos communication congress, with is a big hacker festival/conference (by the same group of people), run by I think the same org, and I've never fully understood how one navigates the identical acronyms...
  - pvorb 6y ago
    Typically, the Chaos Communication Congress is referred to by its number and the abbreviation C3. So it's 36C3 for the last regular installment.
- pantalaimon 6y ago
  Chaos Computer Club also means there are actual physical club rooms where members can meet.
- shezi 6y ago
  The CCC is both. It's a club of computer- and technology-interested d people. Most cities have some rented space that doubles as a hacker and tinker space. It really depends on the members in each city what the specific location looks like. That there is also a branch of very public security experts is... Incidental, I'd say.
- step21 6y ago
  Neither is right. CCC also has security experts as members, which sometimes comment publicly. In general however, it is the parent organization for local hacker spaces (though it is possible to be member on only local or only CCC level). And many local spaces are also called ccc-xy. Wnd their interests.
- catdog 6y ago
  > CCC is a club of security experts No. It happens that a lot of members are security experts but it is far far broader than that. The CCC is a very decentralized organization. A lot of hacker spaces are in fact operated by local subdivisions or are completely independent organizations but with a lot of overlap in membership. In general the CCC likes define itself more by those who share its values and less by the legal entity with that name.
elliekelly 6y ago
Maybe this is a naive question since I’ve never been involved in a hacker/computer club but why is a dedicated space required? Does the club usually purchase hardware/equipment that needs to be stored? I suppose I always assumed the members brought their own equipment to meetings. You know, the more I think about it, I’m not really sure I have any idea what a computer club actually is and does...
- pantalaimon 6y ago
  It's a space to hang out and meet people, where you can talk about and tinker with technology. Only socializing online is just not the same.
- motge 6y ago
  It's a good question and not easy to answer in general as there a lot of different types of hackerspaces. Some hackerspaces are more a kind of makerspace and provide expensive, large or complicated hardware like industrial laser cutters, 3D printers, embroidery machines and (electronics) workshops with soldering irons, electronic parts etc. Other hackerspaces are focusing more on the social side and offer a space to hang out, meet and discuss with beverages (I guess mostly mate and beer). There can be talks, workshops or competitions (like CTFs) and so on. Also providing services to the public, like repair cafes and holiday programs for kids can be a way to further engage in society to share technical knowledge. hackerspaces.org has also extensive explanations on theory of hackerspaces: https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Theory https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Theory

teddyh 6y ago

> Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. …or lacking members. He wrote, glancing around the empty room

ValentineC 6y ago
Because of COVID?
- teddyh 6y ago
  Currently, I suppose, but no; it’s been “active” since about 2010.