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This is amazing. There should be hacker clubs in each country double checking all suspicious public procurements.
by majkinetor 6y ago
This is amazing.
There should be hacker clubs in each country double checking all suspicious public procurements.
- lampe3 6y agoI'm part of the CCC in Hamburg We will move to stockholm and I'm thinking of creating one :)
- jtdev 6y agoDo you know if CCC supports regional chapters?
- tazjin 6y agoYes, they're called Erfa-Kreise: https://www.ccc.de/en/club/erfas https://www.ccc.de/en/club/erfas They're all in German-speaking countries.
- martin_a 6y agoIn Germany there are various "local subsidiaries", mainly in or around larger cities. They are also often somewhat tied/connected with local hackerspaces and whatnot.
- tazjin 6y agoGood luck. In countries like Germany or Norway there is a culture of hacker organisations sustaining themselves financially via their members. This culture doesn't exist in Sweden, and the spaces and organisations that aren't subsidised by government funds or universities all disappear after a few years. (Source: Lived in all three countries, was active in such organisations in all three countries)
- zibzab 6y agoOh, there are tons of hackerspaces in Sweden. Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. I guess you were simply not in contact with the right people.
- tazjin 6y agoYou're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.
- 271828182846 6y agoCCC isn't a hacker space as I understand the term. CCC is a club of security experts. hacker spaces are communal spaces where you can tinker with peers using provided tools.
- jan_Inkepa 6y agoIn Germany the CCC has a lot of physical clubs where people hang out. They have some specialised equipment, but are from my limited experience more social spaces for cohacking, giving talks, etc. There's also the chaos communication congress, with is a big hacker festival/conference (by the same group of people), run by I think the same org, and I've never fully understood how one navigates the identical acronyms...
- pvorb 6y agoTypically, the Chaos Communication Congress is referred to by its number and the abbreviation C3. So it's 36C3 for the last regular installment.
- pantalaimon 6y agoChaos Computer Club also means there are actual physical club rooms where members can meet.
- shezi 6y agoThe CCC is both. It's a club of computer- and technology-interested d people. Most cities have some rented space that doubles as a hacker and tinker space. It really depends on the members in each city what the specific location looks like. That there is also a branch of very public security experts is... Incidental, I'd say.
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- birktj 6y agoAs a Norwegian I would love some pointers to the Norwegian hacker spaces. I am vaguely familiar with some, but it would be nice with some more info.
- tazjin 6y agoI'm mostly familiar with the Oslo scene, which has Hackeriet[0] (of which I'm still a member) with more of a CCC-style crowd and Bitraf[1] which has a lot of physical equipment for "makers" and has a much larger space. Hackeriet's IRC channel is also quite nice (though usually in Norwegian and/or svorsk). There's a few other organisations, notably Teknologihuset[2] which has some communities organising regular events and NUUG[3] which doesn't have a physical space but moves around and is generally a good community to get in contact with. Note that NUUG have members all throughout Norway, and also an active (Norwegian) IRC channel, which may be a good place to ask about other towns as my knowledge of those is either outdated or non-existing! Ses på IRC! :) [0]: https://hackeriet.no https://hackeriet.no [1]: https://bitraf.no/ https://bitraf.no/ [2]: https://www.teknologihuset.no/ https://www.teknologihuset.no/ [3]: https://nuug.no https://nuug.no
- ValentineC 6y agoHave you tried the Hackerspaces wiki? https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Norway https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Norway
- Zolomon 6y agoI would join in a heartbeat!
- Tistron 6y agoCheck out https://www.blivande.com/ https://www.blivande.com/ Burners, artists and (I think) hackers doing stuff together in Stockholm. (I'm not in sthlm but part of the Scandinavian burning scene)
- jnxx 6y agoCCC in Germany does really fantastic work and they are well recognized in the public. And they have some friends. Years ago, the club was moving from Berlin to Hamburg, I think. They had an ongoing dispute whether they are, tax-wise, recognized as a charitable, non-profit entity (many associations in Germany are recognizes as non-profits, but for some that are politically inconvenient, such as the Deutsche Umwelthilfe (DUH) [1], the tax administration as well as politicians are trying to dispute their tax exemption). Then they got a mailing where somebody mailed them an entire collection of correspondence between the tax administration and other government bodies which was apparently intended to be sent to the Hamburg tax administration. It detailed how they were trying to actively put obstacles to financing the CCC's work. Apparently, that mailing went accidentally to CCC, which was not the intended address.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Action_Germany#Political_pressure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Action_Germany#P...
- hutzlibu 6y agoDo you have a link of the email correspondence?
- motohagiography 6y agoThe CCC is a mature organization and culture, there would be some clear challenges to bootstraping something similar elsewhere that wouldn't be quickly infiltrated and co-opted the way that civil liberties, environmental, and other activist organizations have. CCC (and defcon) appeared to work because they operated in a similar grey-area of risk and competence as a motorcycle club. I've been pitching around the idea to use hackerone as a framework but restricted to local college and university programs to do bug finding in provincial/municipal public service delivery systems as a way to create a pipeline of competent public service talent, develop real civic engagement, and create the incentives within govt to build less appallingly shitty systems. The main challenge with that is it requires a total rethinking of what government is, which is already happening organically as dev/eng people and culture builds more generational influence in govt beyond being just "IT," but that's a longer term vision. GenX doesn't code and they're still 10-15 years from retirement, but internet generation people are slowly taking the management reins. Near term, absolutely hack your region's contact tracing apps, and if you want to really affect change, use technology and data to create and test hypothesis' to find corruption. It's going to be unpopular and even make you a target, but if you want to summarize what the cyberpunk aspect of hacker culture was, a lot of it was based on the hypothesis of there being a corrupt conspiracy running infrastructure of The System, and by learning its secrets you could become somehow more safe from it, or expose it.
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- ChrisMarshallNY 6y agoI love what I hear about them. Germany has a basic culture that is quite conducive to this kind of thing. The only thing I wish, is that it was called "KAOS Computer Club," and that they have a picture of Bernie Kopell in their entryway. http://classicshowbiz.blogspot.com/2016/07/an-interview-with-bernie-kopell-part-two.html http://classicshowbiz.blogspot.com/2016/07/an-interview-with...
- Aschebescher 6y agoThe CCC is a national treasure.