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> Call me stupid, but what exists on android that users on iOS are begging for that only exists on android because of the "freedom" of the platform. Right now,

> Call me stupid, but what exists on android that users on iOS are begging for that only exists on android because of the "freedom" of the platform. Right now, Fortnite.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. Like under 10 years old children, asking parents to buy them skins. Skins and loot boxes are the worst thing to happen to gaming and should be regulated. I, and many others are firmly on Apple's side on this issue. If Epic made revolutionary or just great games and didn't get children addicted to digital heroin then I'd give their argument more consideration. I don't want kids sideloading random casino malware just because the kid at recess says it's cool. Got a better example?
- magicalist 6y ago
  > Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. And Apple has the moral high ground wanting a cut of proceeds because they make it easy for children to get to the casino? Not a great analogy.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. So it is actually a good analogy. Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213
    - magicalist 6y ago
      > Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. Rent seeking on things you find immoral? > Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? Is this something Apple has alleged? Because otherwise it looks like you're speculating wildly to appeal to emotion. "It's ok because maybe they're bad people."
      - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
        That's not even an argument. It seems you're commenting in bad faith trying to trap me in some linguistical mistake. I did say perhaps which, last I checked, is a sign of a rhetorical thought. Apple is not perfect, I don't like Apple, but epic is selling crack to kids in my community. at least apple keeps intermediaries between them and their child slaves. I'm not taking sides here. All these huge companies are deplorable and should never have been allowed to grow so large.
        saurik 6y ago
        Apple had no issue with Epic selling crack to your kids... as long as they got their 30% cut: there are no universally good actors here, and deciding your opinions on right and wrong based not on what should have happened but on your general opinions about the parties isn't how any of this should ever work.

> Call me stupid, but what exists on android that users on iOS are begging for that only exists on android because of the "freedom" of the platform. Right now, Fortnite.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago

Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. Like under 10 years old children, asking parents to buy them skins. Skins and loot boxes are the worst thing to happen to gaming and should be regulated. I, and many others are firmly on Apple's side on this issue. If Epic made revolutionary or just great games and didn't get children addicted to digital heroin then I'd give their argument more consideration. I don't want kids sideloading random casino malware just because the kid at recess says it's cool. Got a better example?

magicalist 6y ago
> Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. And Apple has the moral high ground wanting a cut of proceeds because they make it easy for children to get to the casino? Not a great analogy.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. So it is actually a good analogy. Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213
  - magicalist 6y ago
    > Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. Rent seeking on things you find immoral? > Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? Is this something Apple has alleged? Because otherwise it looks like you're speculating wildly to appeal to emotion. "It's ok because maybe they're bad people."
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
      That's not even an argument. It seems you're commenting in bad faith trying to trap me in some linguistical mistake. I did say perhaps which, last I checked, is a sign of a rhetorical thought. Apple is not perfect, I don't like Apple, but epic is selling crack to kids in my community. at least apple keeps intermediaries between them and their child slaves. I'm not taking sides here. All these huge companies are deplorable and should never have been allowed to grow so large.
      - saurik 6y ago
        Apple had no issue with Epic selling crack to your kids... as long as they got their 30% cut: there are no universally good actors here, and deciding your opinions on right and wrong based not on what should have happened but on your general opinions about the parties isn't how any of this should ever work.