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Call me stupid, but what exists on android that users on iOS are begging for that only exists on android because of the "freedom" of the platform. I'd like to t

Call me stupid, but what exists on android that users on iOS are begging for that only exists on android because of the "freedom" of the platform. I'd like to take a moment to say that android is just handicapped because I can't run a different OS, or screw around in the OS and change things to my whims. But no ones talking about that, why not?

nmfisher 6y ago
> Call me stupid, but what exists on android that users on iOS are begging for that only exists on android because of the "freedom" of the platform. Right now, Fortnite.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. Like under 10 years old children, asking parents to buy them skins. Skins and loot boxes are the worst thing to happen to gaming and should be regulated. I, and many others are firmly on Apple's side on this issue. If Epic made revolutionary or just great games and didn't get children addicted to digital heroin then I'd give their argument more consideration. I don't want kids sideloading random casino malware just because the kid at recess says it's cool. Got a better example?
  - magicalist 6y ago
    > Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. And Apple has the moral high ground wanting a cut of proceeds because they make it easy for children to get to the casino? Not a great analogy.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
      Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. So it is actually a good analogy. Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213
      - magicalist 6y ago
        > Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. Rent seeking on things you find immoral? > Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? Is this something Apple has alleged? Because otherwise it looks like you're speculating wildly to appeal to emotion. "It's ok because maybe they're bad people."
        Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
        That's not even an argument. It seems you're commenting in bad faith trying to trap me in some linguistical mistake. I did say perhaps which, last I checked, is a sign of a rhetorical thought. Apple is not perfect, I don't like Apple, but epic is selling crack to kids in my community. at least apple keeps intermediaries between them and their child slaves. I'm not taking sides here. All these huge companies are deplorable and should never have been allowed to grow so large.
        saurik 6y ago
        Apple had no issue with Epic selling crack to your kids... as long as they got their 30% cut: there are no universally good actors here, and deciding your opinions on right and wrong based not on what should have happened but on your general opinions about the parties isn't how any of this should ever work.
danShumway 6y ago
Depending on your interests, that could be anything from: Fortnite, Tasker[0], NewPipe, Ublock Origin[1], Syncthing, xCloud and GeForce Now (until pretty recently[2]), RetroArch, the Dolphin emulator (as of iOS 14.4), and the most recent addition, NSFW Discord servers. > android is just handicapped because I can't run a different OS, or screw around in the OS and change things to my whims You totally can. I've been running LineageOS for a while, it's great. Improves my battery life, allows me to quarantine apps, gives me more access to the firewall for adblocking, and lets me get rid of cruft like the launcher. You can even completely de-Google Android, or install a community-maintained shim called MicroG that enables some of the features without the tracking. The Android situation could be much better, this is why some people are excited about Linux phones. But I don't know a ton of Android users who are clambering to make it harder to use storefronts like F-Droid. I literally can not imagine going to a phone platform that didn't support NewPipe, I watch too many videos on my device, using the official Youtube apps would degrade the experience way too much. I do think that the number of Android-exclusive things you can do is much lower than it used to be. It used to be pretty easy to make a compelling case that if you cared about flexibility at all, you bought an Android phone. I don't think that's the case anymore. But Apple still hasn't really stopped being Apple, so while the differences have become a lot less glaring, they also haven't completely disappeared. And sure, you can get some of this functionality back by jailbreaking, but in comparison the vast majority of the stuff you do on Android won't require root access, and all of the apps I listed above can be installed on a stock Android device without flashing or breaking anything at all. Whether or not iOS users actually care about that stuff... :shrug: I suspect many of them don't. I'm not going to try and make a giant case about whether your average person on the street wants to be able to emulate Gamecube games on their phone. But I also don't really care; I'm a consumer and I want to be able to emulate Gamecube games on my phone. I'm a consumer, and I want to be able to install alternative Youtube front-ends that increase my privacy. I want to be able to block ads in my browser. At the moment, Android provides an alternative for me. I'm very lucky that I never got locked into Apple's ecosystem so I don't have to make a choice between losing access to my credit card and being able to have a user-respecting Youtube client. But if you are locked into Apple's ecosystem, making a switch between phone platforms can be really prohibitively expensive and time consuming, so I sympathize with people who are in that position. ---- [0]: To be fair IFTT is pretty good, but it just can't offer the same level of functionality. [1]: I know someone will jump in on this, but adblocking in Safari is just not comparable to Firefox. There is no way to get what I would consider to be adequate adblocking on the web in iOS. [2]: Microsoft/Nvidia have only been able to launch on iOS using webapps, which given Safari's current limitations are arguably a worse experience than having native apps.

nmfisher 6y ago

> Call me stupid, but what exists on android that users on iOS are begging for that only exists on android because of the "freedom" of the platform. Right now, Fortnite.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. Like under 10 years old children, asking parents to buy them skins. Skins and loot boxes are the worst thing to happen to gaming and should be regulated. I, and many others are firmly on Apple's side on this issue. If Epic made revolutionary or just great games and didn't get children addicted to digital heroin then I'd give their argument more consideration. I don't want kids sideloading random casino malware just because the kid at recess says it's cool. Got a better example?
- magicalist 6y ago
  > Epic is trying to strong arm their way into a position of power against steam and apple so they increase their take off the casino they've filled with children. And Apple has the moral high ground wanting a cut of proceeds because they make it easy for children to get to the casino? Not a great analogy.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. So it is actually a good analogy. Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/94213
    - magicalist 6y ago
      > Apple has a better record on this than every other company I can think of. Rent seeking on things you find immoral? > Perhaps Epic didn't want to abide by these rules and used the fees as a cover? Is this something Apple has alleged? Because otherwise it looks like you're speculating wildly to appeal to emotion. "It's ok because maybe they're bad people."
      - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
        That's not even an argument. It seems you're commenting in bad faith trying to trap me in some linguistical mistake. I did say perhaps which, last I checked, is a sign of a rhetorical thought. Apple is not perfect, I don't like Apple, but epic is selling crack to kids in my community. at least apple keeps intermediaries between them and their child slaves. I'm not taking sides here. All these huge companies are deplorable and should never have been allowed to grow so large.
        saurik 6y ago
        Apple had no issue with Epic selling crack to your kids... as long as they got their 30% cut: there are no universally good actors here, and deciding your opinions on right and wrong based not on what should have happened but on your general opinions about the parties isn't how any of this should ever work.

danShumway 6y ago

Depending on your interests, that could be anything from: Fortnite, Tasker[0], NewPipe, Ublock Origin[1], Syncthing, xCloud and GeForce Now (until pretty recently[2]), RetroArch, the Dolphin emulator (as of iOS 14.4), and the most recent addition, NSFW Discord servers. > android is just handicapped because I can't run a different OS, or screw around in the OS and change things to my whims You totally can. I've been running LineageOS for a while, it's great. Improves my battery life, allows me to quarantine apps, gives me more access to the firewall for adblocking, and lets me get rid of cruft like the launcher. You can even completely de-Google Android, or install a community-maintained shim called MicroG that enables some of the features without the tracking. The Android situation could be much better, this is why some people are excited about Linux phones. But I don't know a ton of Android users who are clambering to make it harder to use storefronts like F-Droid. I literally can not imagine going to a phone platform that didn't support NewPipe, I watch too many videos on my device, using the official Youtube apps would degrade the experience way too much. I do think that the number of Android-exclusive things you can do is much lower than it used to be. It used to be pretty easy to make a compelling case that if you cared about flexibility at all, you bought an Android phone. I don't think that's the case anymore. But Apple still hasn't really stopped being Apple, so while the differences have become a lot less glaring, they also haven't completely disappeared. And sure, you can get some of this functionality back by jailbreaking, but in comparison the vast majority of the stuff you do on Android won't require root access, and all of the apps I listed above can be installed on a stock Android device without flashing or breaking anything at all. Whether or not iOS users actually care about that stuff... :shrug: I suspect many of them don't. I'm not going to try and make a giant case about whether your average person on the street wants to be able to emulate Gamecube games on their phone. But I also don't really care; I'm a consumer and I want to be able to emulate Gamecube games on my phone. I'm a consumer, and I want to be able to install alternative Youtube front-ends that increase my privacy. I want to be able to block ads in my browser. At the moment, Android provides an alternative for me. I'm very lucky that I never got locked into Apple's ecosystem so I don't have to make a choice between losing access to my credit card and being able to have a user-respecting Youtube client. But if you are locked into Apple's ecosystem, making a switch between phone platforms can be really prohibitively expensive and time consuming, so I sympathize with people who are in that position. ---- [0]: To be fair IFTT is pretty good, but it just can't offer the same level of functionality. [1]: I know someone will jump in on this, but adblocking in Safari is just not comparable to Firefox. There is no way to get what I would consider to be adequate adblocking on the web in iOS. [2]: Microsoft/Nvidia have only been able to launch on iOS using webapps, which given Safari's current limitations are arguably a worse experience than having native apps.