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Actually many are required. I had a funny situation in person recently. This place had consent forms - lady checking folks in would offer to sign on your behal

Actually many are required. I had a funny situation in person recently. This place had consent forms - lady checking folks in would offer to sign on your behalf. A few folks asked what it was - a consent form - oh sure, please sign for me. In gsuite I guess there are some settings that can impact things like location - people want recent locations to pop up etc I learned. So anytime you make 95 percent of users click through stuff they don’t care about - you start losing the battle here

Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
Consent forms force people into legally binding agreements, with massive power disparity, under duress. The consumer bears all the risk and the provider absolves themselves of any - unless one afford a lengthy court battle or join a class action. I suppose even more rarely a consumer can get, often fractional, relief through a government or consumer rights agency. EULAs, consent forms, and similar are a wholesale miscarriage of justice that causes incalculable irreparable harm to a staggering number of people every day. Think about it this way, a liability waiver at a doctors office is not dissimilar, in terms of bargaining ability, to an entry level employee's boss demanding sexual favors to keep their job. I have a broken arm, fix it, if the doctor screws up pay for all resulting costs forever. Justice, equality, and equity should never be limited to those with the most means. One last point to hopefully drive my point out of the park. Say I don't want to consent to gmails EULA, so I go and look into hosting my own webserver. Bad news, windows has a eula, okay I'll learn how to use Linux and FOSS software. But wait to need to connect my pc to the internet. I can't escape an internet providers take it or leave it eula. But I need email, I will get fired (lose everything in life) without it. So in effect I am forced, under duress, to 'consent' to a non-negotiable agreement that I reject with every fiber of my being so that I do not lose my home, family, and everything else.
- random5634 5y ago
  Which is why these govt type of interventions, which are all centered around getting more and more permissions from users are annoying. We will get more click through screens that 99.99% of users will say yes to. Seriously, how many users read the google ToS clickthroughs and make a decision based on that to not sign up with a google account? I turned this stuff off at policy level, and instead of praising me, users were pissed at me. They wanted google to track them. Most didn't understand why stuff didn't work (things like saving locations in maps break at least in past, and most use gmaps for work / home commute checks). Seriously - if you run a larger gsuite deploy, put all the privacy features on and watch how folks start trying to work around / do the shadow IT thing.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago

Consent forms force people into legally binding agreements, with massive power disparity, under duress. The consumer bears all the risk and the provider absolves themselves of any - unless one afford a lengthy court battle or join a class action. I suppose even more rarely a consumer can get, often fractional, relief through a government or consumer rights agency. EULAs, consent forms, and similar are a wholesale miscarriage of justice that causes incalculable irreparable harm to a staggering number of people every day. Think about it this way, a liability waiver at a doctors office is not dissimilar, in terms of bargaining ability, to an entry level employee's boss demanding sexual favors to keep their job. I have a broken arm, fix it, if the doctor screws up pay for all resulting costs forever. Justice, equality, and equity should never be limited to those with the most means. One last point to hopefully drive my point out of the park. Say I don't want to consent to gmails EULA, so I go and look into hosting my own webserver. Bad news, windows has a eula, okay I'll learn how to use Linux and FOSS software. But wait to need to connect my pc to the internet. I can't escape an internet providers take it or leave it eula. But I need email, I will get fired (lose everything in life) without it. So in effect I am forced, under duress, to 'consent' to a non-negotiable agreement that I reject with every fiber of my being so that I do not lose my home, family, and everything else.

random5634 5y ago
Which is why these govt type of interventions, which are all centered around getting more and more permissions from users are annoying. We will get more click through screens that 99.99% of users will say yes to. Seriously, how many users read the google ToS clickthroughs and make a decision based on that to not sign up with a google account? I turned this stuff off at policy level, and instead of praising me, users were pissed at me. They wanted google to track them. Most didn't understand why stuff didn't work (things like saving locations in maps break at least in past, and most use gmaps for work / home commute checks). Seriously - if you run a larger gsuite deploy, put all the privacy features on and watch how folks start trying to work around / do the shadow IT thing.