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Every time something like "Linus Torvalds on ..." pops up, I get curious if it will be an interesting explanation or a full Linus rage TM. This post is defo the

Every time something like "Linus Torvalds on ..." pops up, I get curious if it will be an interesting explanation or a full Linus rage TM. This post is defo the former though (perhaps he is not raging anymore hehe). If you never saw one of his rage moments, take a look at: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75 and https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/13/132 https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/13/132

bennysomething 6y ago
Thought he decided he was gonna try to be polite? I prefer the rage version. Less corporate email style
- noir_lord 6y ago
  Both those posts are 8 or more years old. He has toned it down somewhat in recent years - still blunt but that's an admirable trait for a techie (note blunt !== rude).
  - brunoluiz 6y ago
    Indeed, people change after so many years. It is good to see that now he is providing insightful explanations, without raging or anything. After all, he is the creator of Linux and his thoughts about its directions are always super valuable.
    - azernik 6y ago
      IMO his rage posts usually still had great insightful points (cf "we do not break userspace"). The rage part was maybe unnecessary, but it wasn't the entire content of the emails.
- carlhjerpe 6y ago
  I like the Linus that shittalks NVIDIA, though i guess that's free NVIDIA markeing, which I really do not want them to have.
phekunde 6y ago
You have to understand that the Linux Foundation is using his "rage" as a PR exercise. He was outspoken from the start, even as a kid. His reply to Tanenbaum when he first released the Linux kernel is well know. But the Linux foundation realised that they can capitalise on this "rage" by making it more visible. Any publicity is good publicity, as they say in PR world. Negative news makes more impact than positive news. How many people outside the BSD community know who the lead developers are for BSD OSes? How many of them are interviewed at TED talks[0]? It is all about publicity. [0] https://www.ted.com/talks/linus_torvalds_the_mind_behind_linux https://www.ted.com/talks/linus_torvalds_the_mind_behind_lin...
- loloquwowndueo 6y ago
  I know about Theo :) ( though the rage pattern also applies there)
  - phekunde 6y ago
    I know about Theo as well even though I am not a user on any of the BSD distribution. And that is my point. I knew about him because there was a discussion about him similar to the discussion that happens on rage of Linus. "Squeaky wheel gets the oil" as they say! In this case oil is publicity.
- foperator 6y ago
  The Linux Foundation does nothing like that. Linus had been famous before its existence. On the contrary, they made an example of him and had him recant to further the new corporate substitute religion that is used as a worker suppression tool and that solidifies the power of idle bureaucrats.
- qalmakka 6y ago
  You may argue that OpenBSD's founder Theo de Raadt is arguably not a shy, calm person either, but that hasn't brought to its project the same amount of mindshare and attention Linux has.
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chem83 6y ago
There’s enough rage from other members to cover Linus and then some, just follow the thread: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHiMyE4E1ViDcVPi@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net/ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHiMyE4E1ViDcVPi@hirez.programm...
- ambentzen 6y ago
  The last half is basically his own opinions stated as truth from God, which, to me, makes him look like a complete tool. Personally I'm not a fan of parens around the conditional in ifs, but I don't go around spouting that it is the only true way. It basically makes me write off the first half, even if it is correct (I'm not a linux dev, so I don't know). Added: From the reply on lkml I'm not the only one.
  - foperator 6y ago
    It's a style that has been recognized as humorous for decades before the corporate CoC-wielding bureaucrats moved in. Much more refreshing than passive aggressive replies like this one: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHkaaTQ2KQML2iqt@google.com/ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHkaaTQ2KQML2iqt@google.com/ I think Rust is not a culture fit for the Linux kernel and its adoption will further undermine Linux.
    - KptMarchewa 6y ago
      Humorous? I don't think how anyone could think stuff like "I cannot view with less or vim. Therefore it looks not at all." as even remotely funny. Sounds just like "neckbeard yells at cloud" style to justify that the world does not do exactly what he wants.
      - marsven_422 6y ago
        Those neckbeards makes computing go around! The Rust pushing SJW CoC toteing lib-bags adds nothing to the universe.
- lenkite 6y ago

bennysomething 6y ago

Thought he decided he was gonna try to be polite? I prefer the rage version. Less corporate email style

noir_lord 6y ago
Both those posts are 8 or more years old. He has toned it down somewhat in recent years - still blunt but that's an admirable trait for a techie (note blunt !== rude).
- brunoluiz 6y ago
  Indeed, people change after so many years. It is good to see that now he is providing insightful explanations, without raging or anything. After all, he is the creator of Linux and his thoughts about its directions are always super valuable.
  - azernik 6y ago
    IMO his rage posts usually still had great insightful points (cf "we do not break userspace"). The rage part was maybe unnecessary, but it wasn't the entire content of the emails.
carlhjerpe 6y ago
I like the Linus that shittalks NVIDIA, though i guess that's free NVIDIA markeing, which I really do not want them to have.

phekunde 6y ago

You have to understand that the Linux Foundation is using his "rage" as a PR exercise. He was outspoken from the start, even as a kid. His reply to Tanenbaum when he first released the Linux kernel is well know. But the Linux foundation realised that they can capitalise on this "rage" by making it more visible. Any publicity is good publicity, as they say in PR world. Negative news makes more impact than positive news. How many people outside the BSD community know who the lead developers are for BSD OSes? How many of them are interviewed at TED talks[0]? It is all about publicity. [0] https://www.ted.com/talks/linus_torvalds_the_mind_behind_linux https://www.ted.com/talks/linus_torvalds_the_mind_behind_lin...

loloquwowndueo 6y ago
I know about Theo :) ( though the rage pattern also applies there)
- phekunde 6y ago
  I know about Theo as well even though I am not a user on any of the BSD distribution. And that is my point. I knew about him because there was a discussion about him similar to the discussion that happens on rage of Linus. "Squeaky wheel gets the oil" as they say! In this case oil is publicity.
foperator 6y ago
The Linux Foundation does nothing like that. Linus had been famous before its existence. On the contrary, they made an example of him and had him recant to further the new corporate substitute religion that is used as a worker suppression tool and that solidifies the power of idle bureaucrats.
qalmakka 6y ago
You may argue that OpenBSD's founder Theo de Raadt is arguably not a shy, calm person either, but that hasn't brought to its project the same amount of mindshare and attention Linux has.

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chem83 6y ago

There’s enough rage from other members to cover Linus and then some, just follow the thread: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHiMyE4E1ViDcVPi@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net/ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHiMyE4E1ViDcVPi@hirez.programm...

ambentzen 6y ago
The last half is basically his own opinions stated as truth from God, which, to me, makes him look like a complete tool. Personally I'm not a fan of parens around the conditional in ifs, but I don't go around spouting that it is the only true way. It basically makes me write off the first half, even if it is correct (I'm not a linux dev, so I don't know). Added: From the reply on lkml I'm not the only one.
- foperator 6y ago
  It's a style that has been recognized as humorous for decades before the corporate CoC-wielding bureaucrats moved in. Much more refreshing than passive aggressive replies like this one: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHkaaTQ2KQML2iqt@google.com/ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YHkaaTQ2KQML2iqt@google.com/ I think Rust is not a culture fit for the Linux kernel and its adoption will further undermine Linux.
  - KptMarchewa 6y ago
    Humorous? I don't think how anyone could think stuff like "I cannot view with less or vim. Therefore it looks not at all." as even remotely funny. Sounds just like "neckbeard yells at cloud" style to justify that the world does not do exactly what he wants.
    - marsven_422 6y ago
      Those neckbeards makes computing go around! The Rust pushing SJW CoC toteing lib-bags adds nothing to the universe.
lenkite 6y ago