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There's zero substance to this is quick blog. > artworks and medicine have been produced for ages without IP law; This is bullshit. What are they even talking

There's zero substance to this is quick blog. > artworks and medicine have been produced for ages without IP law; This is bullshit. What are they even talking about? I think medicine and movies/art and IP were invented around the same time. Last 100 may be 200 years years. In our 100,000 year history that links them pretty well. Wikipedia - "The modern concept of intellectual property developed in England in the 17th and 18th centuries" That's obviously older than medicine. Are they including leaches and prayer and birth control which is just a light dose of poison? Well good luck to their world were you die at 40 and art is a few shitty books you'll never get to read. I assume they build on other crappy (10 year old) blogs and think living in the old days was amazing where everyone lived to 90, because the 'infants' died young that they had such a low life expectancy and everyone had split sleeps and short work days. Lots of countries have little enforcement of Intellectual Property. What are their living conditions like? How many good local movies do they make? (And if you say Nollywood, you have to explain how it's not just a gangsta related flex)

chayleaf 6y ago
It's hard to distinguish correlation from causation. If a country imports more IP than it exports, then enforcing IP laws quite clearly bleeds money from it. If citizens spend money on local non-IP industries instead of foreign IPs, the country has more money. But if the local IP industry is strong enough, it can bring money from other countries, and local IP enforcement can help support the industry that brings potential foreign money inflow. That is, assuming IP "enforcement" increases money spent on IP, which isn't always the case.
dmitriid 6y ago
This comment is the single most compelling argument why STEM must include liberal arts/humanities studies
- aaron695 6y ago
  You will find most STEM people do 'liberal arts/humanities studies' because it reduces our workload and gets us high distinctions. I got trouble because they saw me 'hacking' the system a bit working them in.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    Yeah, and you are the prime example of that: fully ignorant of history.
    - aaron695 6y ago
      Absolute that! Because I did study the liberal arts (Like I say, most STEM and engineers do for the easy credit points) I understand 'history' is all made up! More than 300 years ago, everyone was a slave (by today's definition). Most people were literally 10-20% or more dumber because the disruption to nutrients in early childhood damages peoples brains. Scratches and the flu kill people. Rape and murder were part of life. People have twice as many female ancestors. That's a lot of murdered men/boys and rape going on. None of this is mentioned in the liberal arts. Because those books don't sell well. Only people who want a better future and not make up silly sayings like 'history repeats' care. Now we have abstract thoughts, helped by our better brains. Which allows legal systems and land property rights. And also IP rights. I'm not making the case IP rights are the end of the story. But if OP wants to argue against IP rights they need to pick a better hand waving argument.
      - dmitriid 6y ago
        > More than 300 years ago, everyone was a slave (by today's definition). That's why you don't judge those people by modern-day standards > Scratches and the flu kill people. Ah yes. Unlike in the perfect modern times since the invention of IP which miraculously changed everything, and medicine became modern only when IP was invented. > Slaves. Murder. Murder. Rape. Death. Yup. Your education was clearly wasted on you. We can go back to your original statement: "I think medicine and movies/art and IP were invented around the same time. Last 100 may be 200 years years." I wonder when you think the Renaissance was. Or the Golden Age of Islam. Or Greek culture. I wouldn't even expect you to know anything about non-Western cultures (I sure as hell don't, but I have an idea at least). Ah yes. They didn't exist because IP wasn't invented yet. It was all murder, rape and slavery.

chayleaf 6y ago

It's hard to distinguish correlation from causation. If a country imports more IP than it exports, then enforcing IP laws quite clearly bleeds money from it. If citizens spend money on local non-IP industries instead of foreign IPs, the country has more money. But if the local IP industry is strong enough, it can bring money from other countries, and local IP enforcement can help support the industry that brings potential foreign money inflow. That is, assuming IP "enforcement" increases money spent on IP, which isn't always the case.

dmitriid 6y ago

This comment is the single most compelling argument why STEM must include liberal arts/humanities studies

aaron695 6y ago
You will find most STEM people do 'liberal arts/humanities studies' because it reduces our workload and gets us high distinctions. I got trouble because they saw me 'hacking' the system a bit working them in.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  Yeah, and you are the prime example of that: fully ignorant of history.
  - aaron695 6y ago
    Absolute that! Because I did study the liberal arts (Like I say, most STEM and engineers do for the easy credit points) I understand 'history' is all made up! More than 300 years ago, everyone was a slave (by today's definition). Most people were literally 10-20% or more dumber because the disruption to nutrients in early childhood damages peoples brains. Scratches and the flu kill people. Rape and murder were part of life. People have twice as many female ancestors. That's a lot of murdered men/boys and rape going on. None of this is mentioned in the liberal arts. Because those books don't sell well. Only people who want a better future and not make up silly sayings like 'history repeats' care. Now we have abstract thoughts, helped by our better brains. Which allows legal systems and land property rights. And also IP rights. I'm not making the case IP rights are the end of the story. But if OP wants to argue against IP rights they need to pick a better hand waving argument.
    - dmitriid 6y ago
      > More than 300 years ago, everyone was a slave (by today's definition). That's why you don't judge those people by modern-day standards > Scratches and the flu kill people. Ah yes. Unlike in the perfect modern times since the invention of IP which miraculously changed everything, and medicine became modern only when IP was invented. > Slaves. Murder. Murder. Rape. Death. Yup. Your education was clearly wasted on you. We can go back to your original statement: "I think medicine and movies/art and IP were invented around the same time. Last 100 may be 200 years years." I wonder when you think the Renaissance was. Or the Golden Age of Islam. Or Greek culture. I wouldn't even expect you to know anything about non-Western cultures (I sure as hell don't, but I have an idea at least). Ah yes. They didn't exist because IP wasn't invented yet. It was all murder, rape and slavery.