I align with most of these purists. But I don't think the verbosity matters. Its not a bottleneck when you're using Java because you shouldn't be in a position

I align with most of these purists. But I don't think the verbosity matters. Its not a bottleneck when you're using Java because you shouldn't be in a position to care about such things. Hell, it's probably beneficial in the extensive SDLC you're probably working in. Sure, java has its place and enables fine productivity in enterprise dependent workloads & scale; but that scale's complexity is often nominal, because what's unique about a traditional java-based system? Why would you use Java to be unique... the jvm is perfectly magical? nah. Don't generalize engineering, lol, "feels good"... I think you mean "personally comfortable" which is what the oracles and jet-brains want you to feel. There is no art in java. I'd struggle to invest so deeply or engrain myself in an enterprise setup vs whatever personal/business circumstances Id be in that situation. If you really want to be hip in that type of world go .NET