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This kind of safe advice isn't very helpful for someone who is hustling IMO. Maybe it is useful for someone who's going to become a principal engineer at a la

This kind of safe advice isn't very helpful for someone who is hustling IMO. Maybe it is useful for someone who's going to become a principal engineer at a large corporate. The parent commenter would be well suited to work at a startup. Unfortunately, startups have also been infected by the corporate virus. In a country that's stagnating, such risk averse behavior makes sense, because there is no reward for taking on risks.

xienze 5y ago
> This kind of safe advice isn't very helpful for someone who is hustling IMO. Well are they hustling or looking for steady employment in tech?
santoshalper 5y ago
That's weird, where did you get the sense that op is "hustling" (whatever that means)? They spend half their post listing big companies they are trying to get jobs at.
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ALittleLight 5y ago
A teenage boy asked the master "How do I compose a symphony?" The master said "You're too young, you need to start with more modest projects." "But master" said the boy "you first composed a symphony when you were half my age!" "Yes, but I didn't ask anyone how." --- What I mean by this is that "hustling" is something of a unique, rare, or hacking like thing. You can't ask people how to do it, because if they could tell you then everyone would do it and it wouldn't work. I don't mean that like people are keeping a secret, but more like hustling means going through a dynamic and unexpected route and it's not something people can easily reduce to instructions.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
  > You can't ask people how to do it, because if they could tell you then everyone would do it and it wouldn't work Coding-camps?
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    I think a good coding camp is a plausible route to an entry level dev position. I know a Google dev who got there via a coding camp. I wouldn't describe it as a hack or hustle though. It's basically learn the skills required, demonstrate your knowledge, then interview and get a matching job.
  - 8128js8121 5y ago
    saps, paying to learn shit from stack overflow.
  - ryankemper 5y ago
    A coding camp is the opposite of hustling. It's called "bootcamp" for a reason - it's there to impose some structure for those who need it. Also bootcamp is very overhyped. There's some great people that come out of them, but I think mainly the hype is the fact that college is overrated (this is a cliche opinion I know) so bootcamps are there to try to exploit some of the delta that the myopic focus on college degrees creates. But many boot camps are super myopic in their own ways.
    - practicalpants 5y ago
      > A coding camp is the opposite of hustling Right on. I'm self taught before bootcamps were a thing. I learned by doing by launching a bunch of startup prototypes. Then I ran out of money so I started interviewing, went 1 for 1 and got a good 6 figure Rails job at a big corporation (skipping junior level), all with less than 1 year experience. Many people getting into coding I talk to think this path is too hard and that a bootcamp somehow looks good on a resume and is therefore safe. The same arguments can be made for startup accelerators. You really don't need one if you're a hustler who can build businesses. Thus they also attract some percentage of people who want a "safe" approach for their resume.

xienze 5y ago

> This kind of safe advice isn't very helpful for someone who is hustling IMO. Well are they hustling or looking for steady employment in tech?

santoshalper 5y ago

That's weird, where did you get the sense that op is "hustling" (whatever that means)? They spend half their post listing big companies they are trying to get jobs at.

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ALittleLight 5y ago

A teenage boy asked the master "How do I compose a symphony?" The master said "You're too young, you need to start with more modest projects." "But master" said the boy "you first composed a symphony when you were half my age!" "Yes, but I didn't ask anyone how." --- What I mean by this is that "hustling" is something of a unique, rare, or hacking like thing. You can't ask people how to do it, because if they could tell you then everyone would do it and it wouldn't work. I don't mean that like people are keeping a secret, but more like hustling means going through a dynamic and unexpected route and it's not something people can easily reduce to instructions.

DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
> You can't ask people how to do it, because if they could tell you then everyone would do it and it wouldn't work Coding-camps?
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  I think a good coding camp is a plausible route to an entry level dev position. I know a Google dev who got there via a coding camp. I wouldn't describe it as a hack or hustle though. It's basically learn the skills required, demonstrate your knowledge, then interview and get a matching job.
- 8128js8121 5y ago
  saps, paying to learn shit from stack overflow.
- ryankemper 5y ago
  A coding camp is the opposite of hustling. It's called "bootcamp" for a reason - it's there to impose some structure for those who need it. Also bootcamp is very overhyped. There's some great people that come out of them, but I think mainly the hype is the fact that college is overrated (this is a cliche opinion I know) so bootcamps are there to try to exploit some of the delta that the myopic focus on college degrees creates. But many boot camps are super myopic in their own ways.
  - practicalpants 5y ago
    > A coding camp is the opposite of hustling Right on. I'm self taught before bootcamps were a thing. I learned by doing by launching a bunch of startup prototypes. Then I ran out of money so I started interviewing, went 1 for 1 and got a good 6 figure Rails job at a big corporation (skipping junior level), all with less than 1 year experience. Many people getting into coding I talk to think this path is too hard and that a bootcamp somehow looks good on a resume and is therefore safe. The same arguments can be made for startup accelerators. You really don't need one if you're a hustler who can build businesses. Thus they also attract some percentage of people who want a "safe" approach for their resume.