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"In the end I don't think python's core developers and steering council want to make your experience of python worse. They just haven't realised how important t
by Grimm1 6y ago
"In the end I don't think python's core developers and steering council want to make your experience of python worse. They just haven't realised how important this is. (Even Larry hadn't heard of pydantic or FastAPI until yesterday when he emailed me, I guess they don't read the python developer survey wink)"
Yikes should a steering council that doesn't even understand the needs of the general community through common sources like that survey really be the steering council? That's a really strong signal that they're out of touch and can do more harm than good.
Personally given the drama over the last few years regarding BDFL and then some of the peps that have made it in in recent time, as a heavy user I've had various concerns over the direction of the language and this further drives those.
- sicromoft 6y agoYep. Sadly, they are very out of touch. As recently as a year ago, Guido hadn't even heard of Poetry: https://twitter.com/gvanrossum/status/1227126706089021440 https://twitter.com/gvanrossum/status/1227126706089021440
- earthboundkid 6y agoOuch. I knew PyPI and pip were unloved, but wow, what brutal neglect.
- guitarbill 6y agoSee also mypy and pyproject.toml support (https://github.com/python/mypy/issues/5205 https://github.com/python/mypy/issues/5205), although there's currently a PR in progress that'll hopefully put that to rest.
- IAmNotAFix 6y agoI find it reassuring in some way. The day Python turns to an ecosystem as dynamic and community-driven as JavaScript is the day it turns to shit.
- nerdponx 6y agoOn the contrary, I think they are more concerned with supporting the core language and interpreter than with anything else. Also why is this a Github issue and not being discussed somewhere like the PEP subforum of discuss.python.org?
- Mehdi2277 6y agoIt’s in multiple places. The main discussion place for python core development is in the mailing lists and there are topics for this issue posted there today too.
- Grimm1 6y agoI don't think they can afford not to pay attention to the ecosystem regardless of what their concerns are. At this point the ecosystem makes Python more than their decisions, what good they do has harsh diminishing returns but their potential mistakes have, as this issue displays, large consequences.
- hklanders 6y agoThis Steering Council exists to consolidate power among old-boys and their corporations and not to further the language. They have done very little apart from locking down the mailing lists and issuing authoritarian statements every now and then, mostly without giving any valid reasoning. I expect Python to go the way of Perl if this continues.