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Does Matrix have decent mod features yet? I want to take people off Discord, but user-friendly role creation/assignment, moderation tools, and granular permissi

Does Matrix have decent mod features yet? I want to take people off Discord, but user-friendly role creation/assignment, moderation tools, and granular permissions are a must before that'll be possible.

jakecopp 6y ago
I haven't tried, but it seems to! The table of contents seems quite broad. https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation
gerdesj 6y ago
Matrix is a protocol, Discord is a system. For want of better terms. Perhaps you could compare git with Github or Gitlab. Matrix might be able to fulfil your requirements but you don't state them. Why not start with: "I need a communication system for my organisation that satisfies the following criteria and I accept that there is no ideal and I am willing to reform my requirements as I evaluate the options available" * End to end encrypted * Check up on governance: Local requirements * Media * Text * Voice * Video (plus voice) * Supports emoji etc, etc. What do you really want and are you prepared to put some real work in to actually evaluate some possibilities? If not, then stick with Discord. It probably won't kick your kitten but it now belongs to Microsoft who also own LinkedIn and sadly themselves.
- crocodiletears 6y ago
  I've evaluated Rocket Chat, Mattermost, Zulip, and Element+Synapse at various points over the last year and a half. That included compilation and deployment on AWS instances. I've done leg-work. Matrix's official server and client are often touted as a competitor to other team and community-oriented chat platforms by its proponents. As a signal competitor it's solid enough, but in the community space it fails to be competitive. I'm really hoping to see Matrix mature more, and codify moderation apis in order to keep the protocol client/server agnostic for all standard use-cases. The Matrix documentation itself admits that the community-management portion of the standard is underspecified. https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#removing-users-rooms-and-content https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#removing-users-ro...
stevenicr 6y ago
I agree mod tools with matrix/synapse/element need major expansion, it's my major thing with it. BUT I was able to create a couple moderators level 50 for several rooms and admins level 100 for several - with a click tap once I got the basic syanapse/element running on a vps. So some moderation is working out of the box mostly okay. When I read about the mod-bot that creates a mod room where you can pop in there and tell the bot to 'Do X to user Y in room Z' - well when I read it the third time I started to get how great that is - but I have not gotten to install that part yet - I got stuck on the sticker pack addon not working.. cuz my 2021 install of debian 9 on Digital Ocean had an issue with ssl or some crap - I've got about 20 hours into trying to fix and basically given up (I did find a python support thread that offered a (temp?-) fix by rolling back the TLS version - but pass) - probably going to do a new install on a newer box/debian with latest python and try again. Which probably means a diff domain name and all that - and then I don't think there is a way to port my usernames/email addy of users to the newer install.. so I'm stuck. There's at least one more addon package for moderating that I have not gotten to that adds like a backened admin page kind of thing I think. I've made some suggestions for moderation enhancements in the element and synapse chat rooms - but what is getting prioritized by the core team has other things on the road map last I checked. I'll likely make some blog posts about my suggestions I guess to keep a running list of moderation addons / needs. Someone pointed me to some vote up page for feature requests, maybe it was on github? but I don't do that system yet. My plan was going to be to offer the makers of the admin-page addons some cash to add some features - or find someone via toptal / upwork to write some code and submit to the team for code review maybe. I think we'll see more moderation tooling sooner than later, I certainly need some more options in that area.

jakecopp 6y ago

I haven't tried, but it seems to! The table of contents seems quite broad. https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation

gerdesj 6y ago

Matrix is a protocol, Discord is a system. For want of better terms. Perhaps you could compare git with Github or Gitlab. Matrix might be able to fulfil your requirements but you don't state them. Why not start with: "I need a communication system for my organisation that satisfies the following criteria and I accept that there is no ideal and I am willing to reform my requirements as I evaluate the options available" * End to end encrypted * Check up on governance: Local requirements * Media * Text * Voice * Video (plus voice) * Supports emoji etc, etc. What do you really want and are you prepared to put some real work in to actually evaluate some possibilities? If not, then stick with Discord. It probably won't kick your kitten but it now belongs to Microsoft who also own LinkedIn and sadly themselves.

crocodiletears 6y ago
I've evaluated Rocket Chat, Mattermost, Zulip, and Element+Synapse at various points over the last year and a half. That included compilation and deployment on AWS instances. I've done leg-work. Matrix's official server and client are often touted as a competitor to other team and community-oriented chat platforms by its proponents. As a signal competitor it's solid enough, but in the community space it fails to be competitive. I'm really hoping to see Matrix mature more, and codify moderation apis in order to keep the protocol client/server agnostic for all standard use-cases. The Matrix documentation itself admits that the community-management portion of the standard is underspecified. https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#removing-users-rooms-and-content https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#removing-users-ro...

stevenicr 6y ago

I agree mod tools with matrix/synapse/element need major expansion, it's my major thing with it. BUT I was able to create a couple moderators level 50 for several rooms and admins level 100 for several - with a click tap once I got the basic syanapse/element running on a vps. So some moderation is working out of the box mostly okay. When I read about the mod-bot that creates a mod room where you can pop in there and tell the bot to 'Do X to user Y in room Z' - well when I read it the third time I started to get how great that is - but I have not gotten to install that part yet - I got stuck on the sticker pack addon not working.. cuz my 2021 install of debian 9 on Digital Ocean had an issue with ssl or some crap - I've got about 20 hours into trying to fix and basically given up (I did find a python support thread that offered a (temp?-) fix by rolling back the TLS version - but pass) - probably going to do a new install on a newer box/debian with latest python and try again. Which probably means a diff domain name and all that - and then I don't think there is a way to port my usernames/email addy of users to the newer install.. so I'm stuck. There's at least one more addon package for moderating that I have not gotten to that adds like a backened admin page kind of thing I think. I've made some suggestions for moderation enhancements in the element and synapse chat rooms - but what is getting prioritized by the core team has other things on the road map last I checked. I'll likely make some blog posts about my suggestions I guess to keep a running list of moderation addons / needs. Someone pointed me to some vote up page for feature requests, maybe it was on github? but I don't do that system yet. My plan was going to be to offer the makers of the admin-page addons some cash to add some features - or find someone via toptal / upwork to write some code and submit to the team for code review maybe. I think we'll see more moderation tooling sooner than later, I certainly need some more options in that area.