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I’ve thought about this since last year, and I can’t understand how this proposal has been able to survive this long. First of all, the EU is very pro-business,

by vages 5y ago

I’ve thought about this since last year, and I can’t understand how this proposal has been able to survive this long. First of all, the EU is very pro-business, which means it should be pro-encryption. Second, the structures of its governing bodies does not make it very prone to populism. Based on what I know from this Kurzgesagt video: https://youtu.be/h4Uu5eyN6VU https://youtu.be/h4Uu5eyN6VU Is this all some hidden plot to turn the EU into a totalitarian state? I’m (half) joking, but I really can’t see the motivation.

Hiopl 5y ago
I don't understand how it's in any way feasible. Do none of these people own laptops with sensitive business or political information? How do they think they're going to protect any of it without strong encryption? Or all the sensitive data on their phones or other mobile devices? How do you secure anything ever against espionage without strong encryption? Have these people not put any thought into this?
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  I imagine exceptions will be built into the laws exempting certain government agencies and businesses or types of business.
- SOMA_BOFH 5y ago
  They don't think the rules will apply to them.
- AnssiH 5y ago
  AFAICS no one is trying to literally ban encryption, the headline seems very exaggerated to me. Looking at some of the EU documents linked, I don't see any real intention to ban E2E encrypted communications - at most the documents are saying that child abusers using E2EE is a problem, or explaining various technical possibilities to try to catch them (with or without breaking E2EE). I'll be concerned when there is an actual proposal mandating backdoors or banning encryption.
spullara 5y ago
I've never heard anyone, ever describe the EU as pro-business.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  Left-wing eurosceptics try to present the EU as being pro-business (and anti-worker), while right-wing eurosceptics believe the EU is anti-business with all its regulations affecting companies. It's technically possible that both sides are right in their criticism, but the fact that neither side seems to acknowledge the other suggests that both aren't seeing the full picture.
estaseuropano 5y ago
I recommend to read the actual proposal rather than this fearmongering.

by vages 5y ago

Hiopl 5y ago

I don't understand how it's in any way feasible. Do none of these people own laptops with sensitive business or political information? How do they think they're going to protect any of it without strong encryption? Or all the sensitive data on their phones or other mobile devices? How do you secure anything ever against espionage without strong encryption? Have these people not put any thought into this?

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
I imagine exceptions will be built into the laws exempting certain government agencies and businesses or types of business.
SOMA_BOFH 5y ago
They don't think the rules will apply to them.
AnssiH 5y ago
AFAICS no one is trying to literally ban encryption, the headline seems very exaggerated to me. Looking at some of the EU documents linked, I don't see any real intention to ban E2E encrypted communications - at most the documents are saying that child abusers using E2EE is a problem, or explaining various technical possibilities to try to catch them (with or without breaking E2EE). I'll be concerned when there is an actual proposal mandating backdoors or banning encryption.

spullara 5y ago

I've never heard anyone, ever describe the EU as pro-business.

dane-pgp 5y ago
Left-wing eurosceptics try to present the EU as being pro-business (and anti-worker), while right-wing eurosceptics believe the EU is anti-business with all its regulations affecting companies. It's technically possible that both sides are right in their criticism, but the fact that neither side seems to acknowledge the other suggests that both aren't seeing the full picture.

estaseuropano 5y ago

I recommend to read the actual proposal rather than this fearmongering.