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A substantial amount of Earth's resources would need to be eviscerated to accomplish that goal, the the space colonies are extremely likely to fail anyway, in t
by 7e 6y ago
A substantial amount of Earth's resources would need to be eviscerated to accomplish that goal, the the space colonies are extremely likely to fail anyway, in the end.
- FredPret 6y agoYou’re right, fuck it, let’s just all die without trying instead
- Robotbeat 6y agoYour sarcastic point is kind of valid, IMHO. Humans establishing self-sufficient communities beyond Earth would prove that humans have the capability to thrive sustainably on Earth. It would silence forever any technological objections to the possibility of human sustainability on Earth. And a firm idea that humans can never establish self-sustaining communities in space is not that far from the idea that we probably cannot do so on Earth, either. It really is not a huge step from pessimism about human future (ie in space) to nihilism about sustainability on Earth, and I do wish people would acknowledge this more: people enthusiastic about permanent settlements in space are, in fact, more certain about the possibility of sustainable thriving on Earth than the space-pessimists are.
- FredPret 6y agoI don’t think there’s anything more important than being an outward-looking, striving species. Once we get depressed and nihilistic and give up, the universe will be forever deprived of the colour and drama human civilization can add to all those bare rocks up there. I never considered that the implication is we could live here sustainably, but you’re right.
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- ganafagol 6y agoStriving for what though? These discussions tend to be heavy on Asimov-inspired scifi-think and weak on just taking a walk in a forest on a nice sunny day in late spring. All this talk about having to colonize space is just rubbish, compared to the wonders of nature that would be worth preserving. But the audience here is strongly biased. If most of your day is spent in front of a computer and reading scifi novels in the evening, then that's where the discussion moves.
- FredPret 6y agoI’m talking about expanding the scope of human civilization, not abandoning this planet. Also, are you saying that forests are nature and space isn’t? Or are you saying that there aren’t any wonders of nature to experience out there? Setting up nice sunny walk-ready forests in space is something that’ll take centuries, but if we don’t do it we’re doomed. Incidentally, so are the forests.
- justatdotin 6y agoI remain unable to comprehend the kind of brain damage that leads some to dismiss the challenge of living sustainably on a fit-for-purpose planet but embrace the challenge of abandoning it.
- navaati 6y agoDecentralisation, basically.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoNah, we just need to bootstrap a cislunar economy. There's plenty of resources to use upwell, more than there ever were on Earth - but we need to seed the infrastructure for turning them into useful goods, and make it self-sustaining.
- nickik 6y agoThere are millions of tons of thorium on earth and on Mars. We can have sustainable energy (and thus basically everything else) with basically 60s technology.