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> My house I bought 12 years ago is now worth double what I paid for it This is not as strong of a financial case as one might think. AAPL stock I bought less

> My house I bought 12 years ago is now worth double what I paid for it This is not as strong of a financial case as one might think. AAPL stock I bought less than 2 years ago is now worth more than double what I paid for it. If you don't want to have to pick a winner, the Nasdaq composite doubled in the past 2 years, and if you feel like the Nasdaq is too risky because of 2000 then the SP500 doubled in the past 5. All of the money that you spent up front on that house could have been invested elsewhere instead with better returns.

hellisothers 6y ago
True but you buy a house with leverage. So if you put 20% down and the house doubles in value your return is 500%, on top of being able to deduct your taxes and most of your monthly payment (as interest), and when you sell (after 2 years) you don’t pay taxes on $250k of the proceeds ($500k per couple).
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > True but you buy a house with leverage. You can buy stock with leverage, too. OTOH, buying a house with leverage, at least in a non-recourse state, exposes you to less downside risk.
  - hellisothers 6y ago
    True, but the govt won’t subsidize any of it and you can’t live in the stock :)
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    My impression is you can borrow significantly more (as a proportion) against real estate, and get better rates, generally speaking.
- t0mbstone 6y ago
  You honestly think that all those 3 bedroom, 2 bath homes selling for $500K right now are going to be selling for a million in 2 years? They were selling for like $125K only a couple of years ago! This just doesn't seem sustainable. Nobody will be able to afford a house if this keeps up.
  - jjeaff 6y ago
    Obviously, it's location dependent but i keep saying that to myself as the homes in my area just keep going up. I assumed at $500k, it couldn't possibly go any higher. Now that those same houses are pushing $900k, I'm thinking they can't possibly go higher.
  - hellisothers 6y ago
    I used double as an example, nobody is making the argument that houses will double.
  - thehoff 6y ago
    I tend to agree, but we used to live (own) in a major city. We then moved only 4 years later and the house had gone up quite substantially (I couldn't believe it). Now 4 years after moving away I still check on that house and see it keeps going up and even though our savings has gone up, we can no longer afford that house anymore. After a few moves, we're now renting a home in a pretty far off suburb of another city and the prices in this area are starting to get out of hand. Witnessed by us starting to look after we decided we like it here. The houses in this market won't last a week and offers are way over list. But I still go back to, this can't keep up. Who is going to keep buying at this pace? Salaries certainly can't be keeping up with this?
taylodl 6y ago
True - but you gotta live somewhere. And I had 3 kids living at home so a 2 BR apartment wasn't going to cut it. So, paying the same as I'd pay in rent for less housing, enjoying tax breaks and doubling my asset value - that's a win!
me_me_me 6y ago
The man is living in the big house with plenty of room for hobbies and possibilities, that renting (high likely) prevents you from doing. He is living his life and you have virtual paper and potential gains. Owning a house is more than a bet against inflation and financial crash.

hellisothers 6y ago

True but you buy a house with leverage. So if you put 20% down and the house doubles in value your return is 500%, on top of being able to deduct your taxes and most of your monthly payment (as interest), and when you sell (after 2 years) you don’t pay taxes on $250k of the proceeds ($500k per couple).

dragonwriter 6y ago
> True but you buy a house with leverage. You can buy stock with leverage, too. OTOH, buying a house with leverage, at least in a non-recourse state, exposes you to less downside risk.
- hellisothers 6y ago
  True, but the govt won’t subsidize any of it and you can’t live in the stock :)
- perl4ever 6y ago
  My impression is you can borrow significantly more (as a proportion) against real estate, and get better rates, generally speaking.
t0mbstone 6y ago
You honestly think that all those 3 bedroom, 2 bath homes selling for $500K right now are going to be selling for a million in 2 years? They were selling for like $125K only a couple of years ago! This just doesn't seem sustainable. Nobody will be able to afford a house if this keeps up.
- jjeaff 6y ago
  Obviously, it's location dependent but i keep saying that to myself as the homes in my area just keep going up. I assumed at $500k, it couldn't possibly go any higher. Now that those same houses are pushing $900k, I'm thinking they can't possibly go higher.
- hellisothers 6y ago
  I used double as an example, nobody is making the argument that houses will double.
- thehoff 6y ago
  I tend to agree, but we used to live (own) in a major city. We then moved only 4 years later and the house had gone up quite substantially (I couldn't believe it). Now 4 years after moving away I still check on that house and see it keeps going up and even though our savings has gone up, we can no longer afford that house anymore. After a few moves, we're now renting a home in a pretty far off suburb of another city and the prices in this area are starting to get out of hand. Witnessed by us starting to look after we decided we like it here. The houses in this market won't last a week and offers are way over list. But I still go back to, this can't keep up. Who is going to keep buying at this pace? Salaries certainly can't be keeping up with this?

taylodl 6y ago

True - but you gotta live somewhere. And I had 3 kids living at home so a 2 BR apartment wasn't going to cut it. So, paying the same as I'd pay in rent for less housing, enjoying tax breaks and doubling my asset value - that's a win!

me_me_me 6y ago

The man is living in the big house with plenty of room for hobbies and possibilities, that renting (high likely) prevents you from doing. He is living his life and you have virtual paper and potential gains. Owning a house is more than a bet against inflation and financial crash.