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Actually you are wrong. There are absolutely laws against return abuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud

by stale2002 6y ago

Actually you are wrong. There are absolutely laws against return abuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud This is the problem when people go around pretending like they are technically correct, when they aren't. Everyone else, intuitively understood the problem with return abuse, except for you. Which is why you got this wrong. If you had focused less on trying to find some clever hack or technically, then you wouldn't have been so misinformed on this issue.

sillysaurusx 6y ago
No, there's nothing in that list even vaguely related to anything I've said. It shares a name. It's not the same thing at all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud#Types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud#Types Not one of those examples is "the act of purchasing an item with the intent to return it." Also, be less aggressive. We're having a conversation here. It's not a battle. The entry you're looking for is Wardrobing, and it's most certainly not illegal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardrobing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardrobing The Talk page even has someone asking the very same question I am: Why is it fraud? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wardrobing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wardrobing It's not fraud. It's not "abuse," and it's not illegal. You're free to feel however you wish about it.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > It's not fraud. It's not "abuse," and it's not illegal Yes it is. You are wrong. https://www.news24.com/w24/Style/Fashion/Trends/wardrobing-exposed-are-you-guilty-of-renting-clothes-from-stores-for-special-occasions-20190910 https://www.news24.com/w24/Style/Fashion/Trends/wardrobing-e... From the article: "as it is an act that can, in fact, be prosecute" https://www.spatzlawfirm.com/blog/2019/08/what-is-return-fraud/ https://www.spatzlawfirm.com/blog/2019/08/what-is-return-fra... "Purchasing an item and using it for a short period of time before returning (also known as wardrobing or “free renting”)" Its illegal. Thats what the sources say. The 2nd link is from a law firm. Your facts are wrong. > https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/return-policies-and-refunds.html https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/retur... "Below are some common types of return fraud: Wardrobing (or "renting"): Buying clothes or other items for one-time use and then returning them" " For example, wardrobing may be next to impossible to prove" https://www.allcriminaldefense.law/what-is-criminal-return-fraud/ https://www.allcriminaldefense.law/what-is-criminal-return-f... "People that engage in ‘wardrobing’ or ‘free renting,’ are also committing return fraud." https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/fraud-against-retailers/ https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/fraud-against-retaile... " Return fraud Renting or Wardrobing: When someone buys an item specifically on a short-term basis with the intent to return it, this is known as renting or wardrobing. An example is buying a dress for a special occasion and returning it after it has been worn." https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/credit-cards/worn-and-returned-truth-about-wardrobing-12793834 https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/credit-cards/worn... "Wardrobing might sound like an innocent thing to do—after all, many of us have returned something we've already worn at least once in our lives. But the truth is that wardrobing is actually considered "return fraud." "It's technically illegal""
  - sillysaurusx 6y ago
    Again, you keep referencing links that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. - In a recent Florida case , a Miami socialite, Meghana Rajadhyaksha, was found guilty for purchasing over $130k in designer purses from retail giant TJ MAXX and also purchasing similar knock-offs from Amazon where she swapped the designer tags out and returned the Amazon knock-offs to TJ MAXX to receive a full refund. I agree this is fraud! That's literally deceiving in order to receive money. There's nothing deceptive about using a policy that the store offers. - The Florida statutes define return fraud as obtaining or using a receipt in a fraudulent manner Ditto. You're free to keep repeating that I have no idea what I'm talking about and so on, but at this point it's becoming quite boring for readers, and everything has been said. We simply agree to disagree, and that's that. Now, please stop calling me a criminal. It's not nice, and it's also not accurate. If you dig up a single case of someone being prosecuted for using a policy that the store offers, without modifying the receipt or the item, let me know.
    - stale2002 6y ago
      I quoted you like 7 sources. (I editted it afterwords, sorry) Read them again. There are multiple sources, that I quoted, that literally say that it is illegal. They use the words illegal to describe wardrobing. > Now, please stop calling me a criminal. Well the sources say that you are a criminal. One specifically said "It's technically illegal" > We simply agree to disagree, No. The lawyers say that you are wrong. The actual legal websites say that you are a criminal. They literally call it illegal. Here was another quote "People that engage in ‘wardrobing’ or ‘free renting,’ are also committing return fraud." Return fraud, in this quote, is referencing the Florida law.
      - sillysaurusx 6y ago
        I reject your sources and substitute my own: http://fashionlawwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/11611271/Wardrobing%20and%20Retail%20Fraud http://fashionlawwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/11611271/Wardrobing... Although wardrobing is, arguably, unethical, there are no statutes or case law that specifically render it illegal. Whether wardrobing should even be considered an abuse of retail policies would depend on the retailers’ specific return policies. Some retailers welcome returns of clothing in any condition, therefore, one can hardly argue that the return of any item, in any condition is an abuse of that policy. We can sit here and cite sources all day at each other, or you can find a case of someone being prosecuted for wardrobing. Once you do, I would be more than happy to listen and to change my mind on the issue. In case it helps, I currently live in Seattle, and the story I related in my original comment happened in Boston, I believe. I'm also about to be moving back to Missouri. (You seem to be focusing on Florida for some reason, so I thought I'd give you a few trails to follow.)

sillysaurusx 6y ago

No, there's nothing in that list even vaguely related to anything I've said. It shares a name. It's not the same thing at all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud#Types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_fraud#Types Not one of those examples is "the act of purchasing an item with the intent to return it." Also, be less aggressive. We're having a conversation here. It's not a battle. The entry you're looking for is Wardrobing, and it's most certainly not illegal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardrobing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardrobing The Talk page even has someone asking the very same question I am: Why is it fraud? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wardrobing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wardrobing It's not fraud. It's not "abuse," and it's not illegal. You're free to feel however you wish about it.

stale2002 6y ago
> It's not fraud. It's not "abuse," and it's not illegal Yes it is. You are wrong. https://www.news24.com/w24/Style/Fashion/Trends/wardrobing-exposed-are-you-guilty-of-renting-clothes-from-stores-for-special-occasions-20190910 https://www.news24.com/w24/Style/Fashion/Trends/wardrobing-e... From the article: "as it is an act that can, in fact, be prosecute" https://www.spatzlawfirm.com/blog/2019/08/what-is-return-fraud/ https://www.spatzlawfirm.com/blog/2019/08/what-is-return-fra... "Purchasing an item and using it for a short period of time before returning (also known as wardrobing or “free renting”)" Its illegal. Thats what the sources say. The 2nd link is from a law firm. Your facts are wrong. > https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/return-policies-and-refunds.html https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/retur... "Below are some common types of return fraud: Wardrobing (or "renting"): Buying clothes or other items for one-time use and then returning them" " For example, wardrobing may be next to impossible to prove" https://www.allcriminaldefense.law/what-is-criminal-return-fraud/ https://www.allcriminaldefense.law/what-is-criminal-return-f... "People that engage in ‘wardrobing’ or ‘free renting,’ are also committing return fraud." https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/fraud-against-retailers/ https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/fraud-against-retaile... " Return fraud Renting or Wardrobing: When someone buys an item specifically on a short-term basis with the intent to return it, this is known as renting or wardrobing. An example is buying a dress for a special occasion and returning it after it has been worn." https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/credit-cards/worn-and-returned-truth-about-wardrobing-12793834 https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/credit-cards/worn... "Wardrobing might sound like an innocent thing to do—after all, many of us have returned something we've already worn at least once in our lives. But the truth is that wardrobing is actually considered "return fraud." "It's technically illegal""
- sillysaurusx 6y ago
  Again, you keep referencing links that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. - In a recent Florida case , a Miami socialite, Meghana Rajadhyaksha, was found guilty for purchasing over $130k in designer purses from retail giant TJ MAXX and also purchasing similar knock-offs from Amazon where she swapped the designer tags out and returned the Amazon knock-offs to TJ MAXX to receive a full refund. I agree this is fraud! That's literally deceiving in order to receive money. There's nothing deceptive about using a policy that the store offers. - The Florida statutes define return fraud as obtaining or using a receipt in a fraudulent manner Ditto. You're free to keep repeating that I have no idea what I'm talking about and so on, but at this point it's becoming quite boring for readers, and everything has been said. We simply agree to disagree, and that's that. Now, please stop calling me a criminal. It's not nice, and it's also not accurate. If you dig up a single case of someone being prosecuted for using a policy that the store offers, without modifying the receipt or the item, let me know.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    I quoted you like 7 sources. (I editted it afterwords, sorry) Read them again. There are multiple sources, that I quoted, that literally say that it is illegal. They use the words illegal to describe wardrobing. > Now, please stop calling me a criminal. Well the sources say that you are a criminal. One specifically said "It's technically illegal" > We simply agree to disagree, No. The lawyers say that you are wrong. The actual legal websites say that you are a criminal. They literally call it illegal. Here was another quote "People that engage in ‘wardrobing’ or ‘free renting,’ are also committing return fraud." Return fraud, in this quote, is referencing the Florida law.
    - sillysaurusx 6y ago
      I reject your sources and substitute my own: http://fashionlawwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/11611271/Wardrobing%20and%20Retail%20Fraud http://fashionlawwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/11611271/Wardrobing... Although wardrobing is, arguably, unethical, there are no statutes or case law that specifically render it illegal. Whether wardrobing should even be considered an abuse of retail policies would depend on the retailers’ specific return policies. Some retailers welcome returns of clothing in any condition, therefore, one can hardly argue that the return of any item, in any condition is an abuse of that policy. We can sit here and cite sources all day at each other, or you can find a case of someone being prosecuted for wardrobing. Once you do, I would be more than happy to listen and to change my mind on the issue. In case it helps, I currently live in Seattle, and the story I related in my original comment happened in Boston, I believe. I'm also about to be moving back to Missouri. (You seem to be focusing on Florida for some reason, so I thought I'd give you a few trails to follow.)