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That "debunking" is comical. They compared the median wage of a giant metropolitan area to that of a subset of it which is ridiculously impoverished. What's mor

That "debunking" is comical. They compared the median wage of a giant metropolitan area to that of a subset of it which is ridiculously impoverished. What's more is the comparison of wages says nothing about other benefits or bonuses. Who else pays for your medical insurance in a no-skill job from day one? Basically no one, especially not in that area. Why do you think the employees voted 2-1 against a union? Because they're idiots and not enlightened like you? Do you think they have 0 ability to reason about their situations and the available opportunities around them? I'm not even morally/ethically/aesthetically/whateverily opposed to unions, but everyone who sits in their comfy armchairs in front of their monitors at their WFH job posting about the need for a union to represent these people when the people who would actually be represented by the theoretical union reject that need have no self awareness of their privilege nor the lack thereof of these workers. The workers know their situations a hell of a lot better than you do, and they didn't want a union! Overwhelmingly! At best you can argue that they were bombarded by anti-union propaganda but do you really think they're too dumb to realize that? Were they not also bombarded by pro-union propaganda??

MisterPea 5y ago
Thank you, reminds me a little too much of Bernie supporters calling black voters "low-information voters" because they didn't vote for Bernie
- creddit 5y ago
  Yes, but of course it's downvoted because Hacker News users hate the idea that they aren't superior to these working class folks or that they should have the autonomy/capability of self determination. No matter the implicit classism in this case nor the implicit racism in the Bernie case.
bonaldi 5y ago
I think there are other arguments to be made: most likely scenarios include an absolute terror of retribution and a lack of faith in the state to protect them from it. This is a climate where companies lay off entire staffs for daring to unionise. If you’re working for a company that already makes you piss in a bottle and are concerned about keeping your job, what are you going to do when they order you as plainly as can be to vote no? It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised.
- creddit 5y ago
  > It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised. Astounding.

MisterPea 5y ago

Thank you, reminds me a little too much of Bernie supporters calling black voters "low-information voters" because they didn't vote for Bernie

creddit 5y ago
Yes, but of course it's downvoted because Hacker News users hate the idea that they aren't superior to these working class folks or that they should have the autonomy/capability of self determination. No matter the implicit classism in this case nor the implicit racism in the Bernie case.

bonaldi 5y ago

I think there are other arguments to be made: most likely scenarios include an absolute terror of retribution and a lack of faith in the state to protect them from it. This is a climate where companies lay off entire staffs for daring to unionise. If you’re working for a company that already makes you piss in a bottle and are concerned about keeping your job, what are you going to do when they order you as plainly as can be to vote no? It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised.

creddit 5y ago
> It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised. Astounding.