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While you shouldn't be downvoted, > even in fulfillment centers the pay is above industry averages This was debunked, many warehouses pay $18-22+ (see https:/

While you shouldn't be downvoted, > even in fulfillment centers the pay is above industry averages This was debunked, many warehouses pay $18-22+ (see https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/business/economy/amazon-wages-alabama-union.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/business/economy/amazon-w... or I guess just Google it). > but no one cares because the company isn't a household name. While I understand you might mean journalists don't care, small businesses with fewer than 500 employees employ 47.3% of US workers (see https://smallbiztrends.com/small-business-statistics https://smallbiztrends.com/small-business-statistics). So it's really the worst kind of generalization you've made. Half of US workers will care about businesses that operate at small scales because they are employed by one.

creddit 6y ago
That "debunking" is comical. They compared the median wage of a giant metropolitan area to that of a subset of it which is ridiculously impoverished. What's more is the comparison of wages says nothing about other benefits or bonuses. Who else pays for your medical insurance in a no-skill job from day one? Basically no one, especially not in that area. Why do you think the employees voted 2-1 against a union? Because they're idiots and not enlightened like you? Do you think they have 0 ability to reason about their situations and the available opportunities around them? I'm not even morally/ethically/aesthetically/whateverily opposed to unions, but everyone who sits in their comfy armchairs in front of their monitors at their WFH job posting about the need for a union to represent these people when the people who would actually be represented by the theoretical union reject that need have no self awareness of their privilege nor the lack thereof of these workers. The workers know their situations a hell of a lot better than you do, and they didn't want a union! Overwhelmingly! At best you can argue that they were bombarded by anti-union propaganda but do you really think they're too dumb to realize that? Were they not also bombarded by pro-union propaganda??
- MisterPea 6y ago
  Thank you, reminds me a little too much of Bernie supporters calling black voters "low-information voters" because they didn't vote for Bernie
  - creddit 6y ago
    Yes, but of course it's downvoted because Hacker News users hate the idea that they aren't superior to these working class folks or that they should have the autonomy/capability of self determination. No matter the implicit classism in this case nor the implicit racism in the Bernie case.
- bonaldi 6y ago
  I think there are other arguments to be made: most likely scenarios include an absolute terror of retribution and a lack of faith in the state to protect them from it. This is a climate where companies lay off entire staffs for daring to unionise. If you’re working for a company that already makes you piss in a bottle and are concerned about keeping your job, what are you going to do when they order you as plainly as can be to vote no? It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised.
  - creddit 6y ago
    > It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised. Astounding.

creddit 6y ago

That "debunking" is comical. They compared the median wage of a giant metropolitan area to that of a subset of it which is ridiculously impoverished. What's more is the comparison of wages says nothing about other benefits or bonuses. Who else pays for your medical insurance in a no-skill job from day one? Basically no one, especially not in that area. Why do you think the employees voted 2-1 against a union? Because they're idiots and not enlightened like you? Do you think they have 0 ability to reason about their situations and the available opportunities around them? I'm not even morally/ethically/aesthetically/whateverily opposed to unions, but everyone who sits in their comfy armchairs in front of their monitors at their WFH job posting about the need for a union to represent these people when the people who would actually be represented by the theoretical union reject that need have no self awareness of their privilege nor the lack thereof of these workers. The workers know their situations a hell of a lot better than you do, and they didn't want a union! Overwhelmingly! At best you can argue that they were bombarded by anti-union propaganda but do you really think they're too dumb to realize that? Were they not also bombarded by pro-union propaganda??

MisterPea 6y ago
Thank you, reminds me a little too much of Bernie supporters calling black voters "low-information voters" because they didn't vote for Bernie
- creddit 6y ago
  Yes, but of course it's downvoted because Hacker News users hate the idea that they aren't superior to these working class folks or that they should have the autonomy/capability of self determination. No matter the implicit classism in this case nor the implicit racism in the Bernie case.
bonaldi 6y ago
I think there are other arguments to be made: most likely scenarios include an absolute terror of retribution and a lack of faith in the state to protect them from it. This is a climate where companies lay off entire staffs for daring to unionise. If you’re working for a company that already makes you piss in a bottle and are concerned about keeping your job, what are you going to do when they order you as plainly as can be to vote no? It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised.
- creddit 6y ago
  > It says absolutely nothing good about Amazon that the workers voted against unionization. You certainly can’t conclude the workers didn’t want to be unionised. Astounding.