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It is not a matter of people complaining from both angles. The concern is that Apple is obviously controlling what gets in but they let this (supposedly poor)

by jotto 18y ago

It is not a matter of people complaining from both angles. The concern is that Apple is obviously controlling what gets in but they let this (supposedly poor) app in. Just like everything else, it's about being fair. If you break the rules for someone, then you need to break them for everyone, otherwise it's not a fair playing ground.

dmix 18y ago
Looks like Apple is facing the problems of running a platform. It's new territory for them and in the mobile space the only ones doing it commercially. They should look at the good job Salesforce has done with force.com.
silencio 18y ago
Apple doesn't really judge on how "poor" the app is. Simply put, follow their guidelines and submit a working app..and no matter how shit it is it'll be accepted. Case in point: all those insane 99 cent Project Gutenberg books, TripLog/1040. (on second thought, I could think of a lot of apps that don't deserve to be on the app store, like developers who steal Apple sample code and charge for it. and this moron who has a $1000 app. but neither are breaking any agreements. doh.)
- jrockway 18y ago
  That's an unfair low blow to TripLog/1040. I think it's clear that while its UI isn't exactly a work of art, it's a useful app that a lot of people like and will pay money for. That doesn't really compare to a free ebook.
  - silencio 18y ago
    I disagree. I actually have less of a problem with the 99 cent gutenberg book guys (at least they're paying the royalties). I don't have a problem with TripLog/1040 the application as much as I do with the developer who felt the need to ignore advice and mockups from other developers/designers instead of having an actual discussion that doesn't reek of his "I have $x years of experience: I'm right" attitude. And well, if you read the reviews and ignore the ones talking about how it's a shitty UI and the developer is charging too much, people who seem to be actual customers have a thing or two to say about the UI and how they'd like some changes. The dev at least attempted to make some changes (like that cyan eyesore of a background color). For that maybe he redeemed himself a bit. I have been in a position like his before and had a design of mine crucified. I didn't go all "screw you you're wrong" at the people who told me so. I tried to approach it without being offended too much that they were ripping apart my work, and I asked about what kind of changes I should make. And I made some of them, and it came out better in the end. Lastly, I might note that one of Apple's criteria for getting accepted to the App Store was HIG compliance. This guy was far from it and still is. I guess they're just ignoring that right now.
    - jrockway 18y ago
      Lastly, I might note that one of Apple's criteria for getting accepted to the App Store was HIG compliance. This guy was far from it and still is. I guess they're just ignoring that right now. FWIW, most of Apple's apps don't conform to their HIG either.
      - silencio 18y ago
        Touché. But they do a better job of designing their apps regardless. I'm curious if anyone's released a similar app with a better UI. I'm almost tempted..I could see how there can be some improvements. I can't imagine being able to use the current triplog UI without some trouble and a good reading of the manual.

by jotto 18y ago

dmix 18y ago

Looks like Apple is facing the problems of running a platform. It's new territory for them and in the mobile space the only ones doing it commercially. They should look at the good job Salesforce has done with force.com.

silencio 18y ago

Apple doesn't really judge on how "poor" the app is. Simply put, follow their guidelines and submit a working app..and no matter how shit it is it'll be accepted. Case in point: all those insane 99 cent Project Gutenberg books, TripLog/1040. (on second thought, I could think of a lot of apps that don't deserve to be on the app store, like developers who steal Apple sample code and charge for it. and this moron who has a $1000 app. but neither are breaking any agreements. doh.)

jrockway 18y ago
That's an unfair low blow to TripLog/1040. I think it's clear that while its UI isn't exactly a work of art, it's a useful app that a lot of people like and will pay money for. That doesn't really compare to a free ebook.
- silencio 18y ago
  I disagree. I actually have less of a problem with the 99 cent gutenberg book guys (at least they're paying the royalties). I don't have a problem with TripLog/1040 the application as much as I do with the developer who felt the need to ignore advice and mockups from other developers/designers instead of having an actual discussion that doesn't reek of his "I have $x years of experience: I'm right" attitude. And well, if you read the reviews and ignore the ones talking about how it's a shitty UI and the developer is charging too much, people who seem to be actual customers have a thing or two to say about the UI and how they'd like some changes. The dev at least attempted to make some changes (like that cyan eyesore of a background color). For that maybe he redeemed himself a bit. I have been in a position like his before and had a design of mine crucified. I didn't go all "screw you you're wrong" at the people who told me so. I tried to approach it without being offended too much that they were ripping apart my work, and I asked about what kind of changes I should make. And I made some of them, and it came out better in the end. Lastly, I might note that one of Apple's criteria for getting accepted to the App Store was HIG compliance. This guy was far from it and still is. I guess they're just ignoring that right now.
  - jrockway 18y ago
    Lastly, I might note that one of Apple's criteria for getting accepted to the App Store was HIG compliance. This guy was far from it and still is. I guess they're just ignoring that right now. FWIW, most of Apple's apps don't conform to their HIG either.
    - silencio 18y ago
      Touché. But they do a better job of designing their apps regardless. I'm curious if anyone's released a similar app with a better UI. I'm almost tempted..I could see how there can be some improvements. I can't imagine being able to use the current triplog UI without some trouble and a good reading of the manual.