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>Yes they cater to their subscribers but that's made them batshit crazy in their coverage Equating one of the premier news organizations in the world with Fox

by nojito 6y ago

>Yes they cater to their subscribers but that's made them batshit crazy in their coverage Equating one of the premier news organizations in the world with Fox is quite interesting. NYTimes has been breaking news stories since the Civil War. They are the only organization that routinely breaks news against 'both sides' of the aisle. e.g. Clinton Email server and Trump business ties to name a couple The fact of the matter is that people can not differentiate the opinion pieces from their hard hitting news pieces. Which is a symptom of the low quality "social media news" that currently exists.

beervirus 6y ago
> The fact of the matter is that people can not differentiate the opinion pieces from their hard hitting news pieces. They intentionally blur that line. Almost all of their news pieces the last several years have been full of opinion.
- nojito 6y ago
  No. There is a distinct Opinion Section with it's own editorial oversight. https://www.nytimes.com/section/opinion https://www.nytimes.com/section/opinion Just like every other high quality news source.
  - beervirus 6y ago
    That doesn't refute what I said at all. Yes, they have an opinion section. They also inject a lot of opinion into articles that are nominally straight news.
    - nojito 6y ago
      This just isn’t true at all. They are distinct and completely governed by different editors.
FqOD4xih7Uq6m9Z 6y ago
Yeah, Fox never had one of their Pulitzer prize winning journalists writing literal propaganda handed to them by the Soviet Union to cover up the Holodomor.
- tootie 6y ago
  Lol, Fox has never won a Pulitzer and for good reason. They run propaganda in prime time every single night. Roger Ailes was a bona fide conspiracy nut: https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-book-ted-cruz-fox-news-a17d646c-ed6a-48a0-85e8-e115823c94aa.html https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-book-ted-cruz-fox-news-a1... NY Times has been in operation for 170 years and has made a few mistakes. There is just no comparison. They are best news source in the country bar none.
  - culot 6y ago
    >They run propaganda in prime time every single night. All major news outlets run propaganda - not just in prime time, but all of the time. That is their job. The NY Times does have the privilege of being one of the primary establishment press outfits, resulting in their main aim being setting the tone for propaganda outfits around the nation and throughout much of the western world. If you want to know which way the wind is blowing inside the FBI or CIA, the NY Times is where you go. To compare them to Fox is pointless, as Fox does little to no print journalism. NY Times excels in [often overly-]lengthy, well-written articles, whereas I don't think Fox has ever done much more than briefs and blurbs.
MikeUt 6y ago
> They are the only organization that routinely breaks news against 'both sides' of the aisle. Both sides indeed. They report on news of national importance, such as a playground scuffle: A Black Virginia Girl Says White Classmates Cut Her Dreadlocks at a Playground - https://web.archive.org/web/20190927202007/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/dreadlocks-cut-off-immanuel-christian-school.html https://web.archive.org/web/20190927202007/https://www.nytim... Once it turns out the story was a hoax, they do their journalistic duty and remove any reference to race from the title: Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault, and Family Apologizes - https://web.archive.org/web/20191001003852/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/dreadlocks-cut-off-immanuel-christian-school.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191001003852/https://www.nytim... I wonder if they would have reported on it at all if victim and perpetrator were reversed, or featured race so prominently. But if they were reversed, the story would not be important to the national conversation, would it?
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by nojito 6y ago

beervirus 6y ago

> The fact of the matter is that people can not differentiate the opinion pieces from their hard hitting news pieces. They intentionally blur that line. Almost all of their news pieces the last several years have been full of opinion.

nojito 6y ago
No. There is a distinct Opinion Section with it's own editorial oversight. https://www.nytimes.com/section/opinion https://www.nytimes.com/section/opinion Just like every other high quality news source.
- beervirus 6y ago
  That doesn't refute what I said at all. Yes, they have an opinion section. They also inject a lot of opinion into articles that are nominally straight news.
  - nojito 6y ago
    This just isn’t true at all. They are distinct and completely governed by different editors.

FqOD4xih7Uq6m9Z 6y ago

Yeah, Fox never had one of their Pulitzer prize winning journalists writing literal propaganda handed to them by the Soviet Union to cover up the Holodomor.

tootie 6y ago
Lol, Fox has never won a Pulitzer and for good reason. They run propaganda in prime time every single night. Roger Ailes was a bona fide conspiracy nut: https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-book-ted-cruz-fox-news-a17d646c-ed6a-48a0-85e8-e115823c94aa.html https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-book-ted-cruz-fox-news-a1... NY Times has been in operation for 170 years and has made a few mistakes. There is just no comparison. They are best news source in the country bar none.
- culot 6y ago
  >They run propaganda in prime time every single night. All major news outlets run propaganda - not just in prime time, but all of the time. That is their job. The NY Times does have the privilege of being one of the primary establishment press outfits, resulting in their main aim being setting the tone for propaganda outfits around the nation and throughout much of the western world. If you want to know which way the wind is blowing inside the FBI or CIA, the NY Times is where you go. To compare them to Fox is pointless, as Fox does little to no print journalism. NY Times excels in [often overly-]lengthy, well-written articles, whereas I don't think Fox has ever done much more than briefs and blurbs.

MikeUt 6y ago

> They are the only organization that routinely breaks news against 'both sides' of the aisle. Both sides indeed. They report on news of national importance, such as a playground scuffle: A Black Virginia Girl Says White Classmates Cut Her Dreadlocks at a Playground - https://web.archive.org/web/20190927202007/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/dreadlocks-cut-off-immanuel-christian-school.html https://web.archive.org/web/20190927202007/https://www.nytim... Once it turns out the story was a hoax, they do their journalistic duty and remove any reference to race from the title: Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault, and Family Apologizes - https://web.archive.org/web/20191001003852/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/dreadlocks-cut-off-immanuel-christian-school.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191001003852/https://www.nytim... I wonder if they would have reported on it at all if victim and perpetrator were reversed, or featured race so prominently. But if they were reversed, the story would not be important to the national conversation, would it?

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