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We're gonna have six out of six men on a judging panel in 2021? Grim. [Edited for downvoters: this is important because of natural biases in human judging, it

We're gonna have six out of six men on a judging panel in 2021? Grim. [Edited for downvoters: this is important because of natural biases in human judging, it serves as an automatic warning to women and other genders that they are unlikely to be treated fairly and suggests to them that they shouldn't bother to participate. If you can't be bothered to find a single woman judge, how are you going to rate projects created and designed by or for women?]

NicoJuicy 6y ago
As another reference, when I look at github contributions, I can't remember seeing 1 female. Perhaps there is an overrepresentation of males, because there are more males that contribute/work in IT? Eg. First page of people in .net contains 1 female and 19 males: https://github.com/orgs/dotnet/people https://github.com/orgs/dotnet/people
- callamdelaney 6y ago
  The exact question I was going to ask.
  - NicoJuicy 6y ago
    And I was waiting till downvotes. But even the github opensource survey mentions only 1/20 are female ( which is perfectly aligned with my example) Too bad some people don't accept facts anymore. They should fix the root causes, eg. make coding for women more popular.
tmhrtly 6y ago
If you're a man reading this, one of the tools you have at your disposal is to pledge not to be a part of a panel comprised of only men. It can help to prompt organisers to assess their biases. Here's one example of such a pledge you could take (either privately, or publicly): https://www.owen.org/pledge/ https://www.owen.org/pledge/
bandana 6y ago
I assume the judges will look at the product without looking at the author profile, why would it matter ?
- tester34 6y ago
  devil's advocate what if their design is more girlish in style and men wouldnt get it?
mhuffman 6y ago
>If you can't be bothered to find a single woman judge, how are you going to rate projects created and designed by women?] That is some pretty non-transitional thinking! Why in the world would a man not be able to just a Redis project developed by a woman? [edited because of your edit: I stand by the above statement even in the face of your very weak argument] Let me ask you a question. If that panel had been all women, would you be on here talking about how a woman would not be able to judge a Redis project developed by a man?
- teachingassist 6y ago
  If you genuinely believe this: that it makes no difference, why would you choose to have an all-men judging panel?
  - callamdelaney 6y ago
    Because 19 of the top 20 contributors to redis are men?
  - tester34 6y ago
    >why would you choose to have an all-men judging panel? e.g maybe they were the only competent/(interested in taking a part in this project) people avaliable
    - teachingassist 6y ago
      And there we have it - no women are competent - no women are available to judge usability of a product, UX Design, and whether or not a product uses Redis? (The judging criteria are laid out like this) This is at least logically consistent. It meets my point that if you're a women looking at a panel selected on the basis that no women are competent, why would you enter?
      - tuyguntn 6y ago
        I politely want to say shut up, but can't find best words. Because you judge people based on their sex/race, I am pretty sure Redis people didn't even think about sex of judges, they just selected people by their expertise. There might have been other female experts on team, but they weren't considered not because they are female, just because other people had more experience (may be) No one said women are incompetent, this is how you build your own world view, so you think men think women are incompetent.
antirez 6y ago
That's unfortunate. But it's worth to note that Redis is one of the few projects to have a woman in the development core team (1 out of 5 total core team contributors: would be great to see more than that, but is already a rarity, unfortunately).
- overhero 6y ago
  thank you for your work, man. redis is awesome
tuyguntn 6y ago
I wonder if side effect of such comments/posts are the actual reason we can't fix diversity/racism issues. Why person in his/her right mind should look at person's sex/race/religion when judging product? P.S. I am not against diversity, everyone should have equal opportunity, but people should not be forced to be engineers. This kind of messages are freaking me out recently
- teachingassist 6y ago
  It's definitely the fault of my comment that nobody bothered to ask a women to be part of a panel judging products. I totally see how that's possible. (sarcasm)
  - tuyguntn 6y ago
    Have you asked yourself why 90% of nurses are women in Norway with best gender equality programs? Why they are not forcing every other male to become nurse? Female and male are different in some aspects of their biology, no matter what you say, they are different anyway. This difference tends to affect people choice. And 90% woman in Norway choose to be nurse. We should strive to have an equal opportunity for everyone (race/gender doesn't matter, just equal opportunity), not push people to become what they don't want
  - new-account 6y ago
    Why die woman not invent redis themselfes? They could be in Charge of such Personal decisions then
numlock86 6y ago
> unlikely to be treated fairly Discussions about biases that purely stem from modern synthetic biases merely created by social movements for the sake of recognition are an interesting topic. Bias-ception maybe?

NicoJuicy 6y ago

As another reference, when I look at github contributions, I can't remember seeing 1 female. Perhaps there is an overrepresentation of males, because there are more males that contribute/work in IT? Eg. First page of people in .net contains 1 female and 19 males: https://github.com/orgs/dotnet/people https://github.com/orgs/dotnet/people

callamdelaney 6y ago
The exact question I was going to ask.
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  And I was waiting till downvotes. But even the github opensource survey mentions only 1/20 are female ( which is perfectly aligned with my example) Too bad some people don't accept facts anymore. They should fix the root causes, eg. make coding for women more popular.

tmhrtly 6y ago

If you're a man reading this, one of the tools you have at your disposal is to pledge not to be a part of a panel comprised of only men. It can help to prompt organisers to assess their biases. Here's one example of such a pledge you could take (either privately, or publicly): https://www.owen.org/pledge/ https://www.owen.org/pledge/

bandana 6y ago

I assume the judges will look at the product without looking at the author profile, why would it matter ?

tester34 6y ago
devil's advocate what if their design is more girlish in style and men wouldnt get it?

mhuffman 6y ago

>If you can't be bothered to find a single woman judge, how are you going to rate projects created and designed by women?] That is some pretty non-transitional thinking! Why in the world would a man not be able to just a Redis project developed by a woman? [edited because of your edit: I stand by the above statement even in the face of your very weak argument] Let me ask you a question. If that panel had been all women, would you be on here talking about how a woman would not be able to judge a Redis project developed by a man?

teachingassist 6y ago
If you genuinely believe this: that it makes no difference, why would you choose to have an all-men judging panel?
- callamdelaney 6y ago
  Because 19 of the top 20 contributors to redis are men?
- tester34 6y ago
  >why would you choose to have an all-men judging panel? e.g maybe they were the only competent/(interested in taking a part in this project) people avaliable
  - teachingassist 6y ago
    And there we have it - no women are competent - no women are available to judge usability of a product, UX Design, and whether or not a product uses Redis? (The judging criteria are laid out like this) This is at least logically consistent. It meets my point that if you're a women looking at a panel selected on the basis that no women are competent, why would you enter?
    - tuyguntn 6y ago
      I politely want to say shut up, but can't find best words. Because you judge people based on their sex/race, I am pretty sure Redis people didn't even think about sex of judges, they just selected people by their expertise. There might have been other female experts on team, but they weren't considered not because they are female, just because other people had more experience (may be) No one said women are incompetent, this is how you build your own world view, so you think men think women are incompetent.

antirez 6y ago

That's unfortunate. But it's worth to note that Redis is one of the few projects to have a woman in the development core team (1 out of 5 total core team contributors: would be great to see more than that, but is already a rarity, unfortunately).

overhero 6y ago
thank you for your work, man. redis is awesome

tuyguntn 6y ago

I wonder if side effect of such comments/posts are the actual reason we can't fix diversity/racism issues. Why person in his/her right mind should look at person's sex/race/religion when judging product? P.S. I am not against diversity, everyone should have equal opportunity, but people should not be forced to be engineers. This kind of messages are freaking me out recently

teachingassist 6y ago
It's definitely the fault of my comment that nobody bothered to ask a women to be part of a panel judging products. I totally see how that's possible. (sarcasm)
- tuyguntn 6y ago
  Have you asked yourself why 90% of nurses are women in Norway with best gender equality programs? Why they are not forcing every other male to become nurse? Female and male are different in some aspects of their biology, no matter what you say, they are different anyway. This difference tends to affect people choice. And 90% woman in Norway choose to be nurse. We should strive to have an equal opportunity for everyone (race/gender doesn't matter, just equal opportunity), not push people to become what they don't want
- new-account 6y ago
  Why die woman not invent redis themselfes? They could be in Charge of such Personal decisions then

numlock86 6y ago

> unlikely to be treated fairly Discussions about biases that purely stem from modern synthetic biases merely created by social movements for the sake of recognition are an interesting topic. Bias-ception maybe?