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doesn't sound like their "minds were ruined", but rather that they have different priorities than you and that you're narrowminded and judgemental.

Leparamour 5y ago
>but rather that they have different priorities than you and that you're narrowminded and judgemental. Having been loosely affiliated with the Goa/Psytrance scene, I too, have met some individuals who seemed to have "fried" their brains. If those "different priorities", how you call it, also include being almost dysfunctional and therefore dependent on constant external support, paranoid and frequently incoherent then, yes, it made me judgmental too. And this isn't even speaking of phenomena like Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD)[1]. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep...
- maxmamis 5y ago
  i was responding to the parent’s description of people having “lost their ambition.” not everyone needs ambition, and ambition can be destructive. what you’re describing sounds like psychosis which is entirely different
- bigfudge 5y ago
  The thing is, it's not at all clear this was caused by psychedelics, so much as psychedelics and the lifestyle that goes with it shape the sort of dysfunction we observe. If they had been in the midwestern USA would they also be dysfunctional but taking prescription painkillers? Mental health problems are common, and confirmation bias is real. There is also the danger of reverse causation — and this may apply to cannabis. The epidemiology there suggests psychosis may cause people to take cannabis at higher rates, rather than the reverse. Finally... I've also often wondered what partying so hard would do without the drugs. I've experienced festivals both with and without recreational drugs and it often feels like the sleep deprivation and over-stimulation have as large an effect on my subsequent mood as the drugs did.
  - Leparamour 5y ago
    >so much as psychedelics and the lifestyle that goes with it shape the sort of dysfunction we observe. I wondered about this myself. I think it is hard to pinpoint exactly since festival-goers often also consume a mix of different substances (the infamous "candy flipping") including alcohol instead of just straight mushrooms or LSD.
    - bigfudge 5y ago
      Funnily enough, I just came across a study of ecstasy use in Mormon kids who didn’t take alcohol or other drugs... not sure if they were staying up all night raving but my prior is not. Apparently they didn’t suffer the same cognitive deficits found in other ecstasy users.

Leparamour 5y ago

>but rather that they have different priorities than you and that you're narrowminded and judgemental. Having been loosely affiliated with the Goa/Psytrance scene, I too, have met some individuals who seemed to have "fried" their brains. If those "different priorities", how you call it, also include being almost dysfunctional and therefore dependent on constant external support, paranoid and frequently incoherent then, yes, it made me judgmental too. And this isn't even speaking of phenomena like Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD)[1]. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep...

maxmamis 5y ago
i was responding to the parent’s description of people having “lost their ambition.” not everyone needs ambition, and ambition can be destructive. what you’re describing sounds like psychosis which is entirely different
bigfudge 5y ago
The thing is, it's not at all clear this was caused by psychedelics, so much as psychedelics and the lifestyle that goes with it shape the sort of dysfunction we observe. If they had been in the midwestern USA would they also be dysfunctional but taking prescription painkillers? Mental health problems are common, and confirmation bias is real. There is also the danger of reverse causation — and this may apply to cannabis. The epidemiology there suggests psychosis may cause people to take cannabis at higher rates, rather than the reverse. Finally... I've also often wondered what partying so hard would do without the drugs. I've experienced festivals both with and without recreational drugs and it often feels like the sleep deprivation and over-stimulation have as large an effect on my subsequent mood as the drugs did.
- Leparamour 5y ago
  >so much as psychedelics and the lifestyle that goes with it shape the sort of dysfunction we observe. I wondered about this myself. I think it is hard to pinpoint exactly since festival-goers often also consume a mix of different substances (the infamous "candy flipping") including alcohol instead of just straight mushrooms or LSD.
  - bigfudge 5y ago
    Funnily enough, I just came across a study of ecstasy use in Mormon kids who didn’t take alcohol or other drugs... not sure if they were staying up all night raving but my prior is not. Apparently they didn’t suffer the same cognitive deficits found in other ecstasy users.